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duckfan96 · Post by **duckfan96** » Mon Sep 08, 2014 6:43 am

But what's up with everyone's favorite player tyner? He looked lost at times. He hurt?

lukeyrid13 · Post by **lukeyrid13** » Mon Sep 08, 2014 8:09 am

He still has tons of potential, he just needs to pick a hole and hit it instead of dancing. Barner struggled with that until his senior year as well

Phenom · Post by **Phenom** » Mon Sep 08, 2014 8:24 am

He hit the hole hard like twice and those were his best runs of the game. Still overthinking IMO.

snapt · Post by **snapt** » Mon Sep 08, 2014 8:26 am

Freeman also had the benefit of coming in fresh vs a tired D. Tyner was pounding the rock early with against a fresh D.

SuperDuck · Post by **SuperDuck** » Mon Sep 08, 2014 8:32 am

snapt wrote:Freeman also had the benefit of coming in fresh vs a tired D. Tyner was pounding the rock early with against a fresh D.

+1

woundedknees · Post by **woundedknees** » Mon Sep 08, 2014 8:38 am

LGB was a monster who got much of his Duck yardage as a "change of pace" back after LMJ and his speedy friends softened up opposing D's for the kill...

Post by **dthomas=ddixon** » Mon Sep 08, 2014 9:17 am

I think the point about Freeman facing stored MSU defense nailed it.

There's also the matter of matchups. Teams can be so different week to week the matchup makes all the difference. Against MSU and their style of defense a power runner was going to be more effective. But when we play teams like ASU and USC who have a ton of speed on D a guy like Tyner will be more effective. He's still an extremely talented back, he just needs more room to run than Freeman and that wasn't happening against MSU. It will against a bunch of other teams this year and we will see Tyner have some monster games.

Duck07 · Post by **Duck07** » Mon Sep 08, 2014 9:27 am

dthomas=ddixon wrote:I think the point about Freeman facing stored MSU defense nailed it.

There's also the matter of matchups. Teams can be so different week to week the matchup makes all the difference. Against MSU and their style of defense a power runner was going to be more effective. But when we play teams like ASU and USC who have a ton of speed on D a guy like Tyner will be more effective. He's still an extremely talented back, he just needs more room to run than Freeman and that wasn't happening against MSU. It will against a bunch of other teams this year and we will see Tyner have some monster games.

Andre Y was not playing very well against MSU and several times when he got beat it blew the play up and Tyner could have had some different #s. While we kind of abandoned the run early (this seems to be a theme against stout D's) we could have still done some things in the run game to help. Its clear that Tyner is not a goal-line back but as you said he's still a fine back who can make teams pay and will as the season goes on. I don't know if its the nature of being a physical back but sometimes in our offense we really just need the back to go straight ahead for a hard 3, 4 yards instead of trying to get outside (even on outside runs, sometimes they've beat you to the edge so just cut up field and go) for the big one.

At this point its clear that the carries for the year should be based on a meritocracy and who is playing the best that day/matchup.

bigsugarduck · Post by **bigsugarduck** » Mon Sep 08, 2014 12:52 pm

I'm with those who think Freeman benefitted from a tired defense. It is alot easier to run full speed with the defense is a step behind. It is easy for us to speculate that Tyner was running tentatively, but all that is accomplished by running full speed (into a defender who is already in the running lane) is a tackle a split second earlier. We saw Tyner feast on tried defenses last year in much the same way that Freeman did. It is a long season and I still think Tyner ends up with more yards....

Greenblood · Post by **Greenblood** » Mon Sep 08, 2014 1:03 pm

dthomas=ddixon wrote:I think the point about Freeman facing stored MSU defense nailed it.

There's also the matter of matchups. Teams can be so different week to week the matchup makes all the difference. Against MSU and their style of defense a power runner was going to be more effective. But when we play teams like ASU and USC who have a ton of speed on D a guy like Tyner will be more effective. He's still an extremely talented back, he just needs more room to run than Freeman and that wasn't happening against MSU. It will against a bunch of other teams this year and we will see Tyner have some monster games.

And this isn't directly on-topic and maybe you didn't mean it literally, but I thought I'd just point out that the Ducks aren't scheduled to play ASU or USC this year.

Post by **dthomas=ddixon** » Mon Sep 08, 2014 1:37 pm

Greenblood wrote:
dthomas=ddixon wrote:I think the point about Freeman facing stored MSU defense nailed it.

There's also the matter of matchups. Teams can be so different week to week the matchup makes all the difference. Against MSU and their style of defense a power runner was going to be more effective. But when we play teams like ASU and USC who have a ton of speed on D a guy like Tyner will be more effective. He's still an extremely talented back, he just needs more room to run than Freeman and that wasn't happening against MSU. It will against a bunch of other teams this year and we will see Tyner have some monster games.
And this isn't directly on-topic and maybe you didn't mean it literally, but I thought I'd just point out that the Ducks aren't scheduled to play ASU or USC this year.

You know I wasn't even thinking about our schedule, I was just thinking off the top of my head about which defense tend to be speed oriented. Thanks for pointing that out. Thankfully for Tyner most defenses in conference are just plain bad or built on speed to defend all the spread offenses.

UofDuck · Post by **UofDuck** » Mon Sep 08, 2014 3:17 pm

Quick vision is more of an asset than quickness. Freeman has it over Tyner and has enough quickness and size to be more complete. My opinion.

cmmadness · Post by **cmmadness** » Mon Sep 08, 2014 5:24 pm

I'm still a huge Tyner fan but I really think he needs a break out game next week,
if for no other reason than for his confidence. He was played sparingly last year
but he really came on in the Civil War. I was expecting huge things from him this
year and barring injury, I still think he has a good year. As others have said, It
would be nice to see him hit the hole rather that dancing around a bit.

justducky0 · Post by **justducky0** » Mon Sep 08, 2014 6:12 pm

Yall are just making a bunch of excuses for Tyner...He is playing terrible, won't hit the hole and goes down way to easy on first contact. Freeman & Marshall have both been running better than Tyner... also maybe Tyner should get some moves..honestly. He has no moves to get past a player, no stiff arm, no change of pace, no spin moves. Overrated at this point in his career. I hope he turns it around.

fpsduck · Post by **fpsduck** » Mon Sep 08, 2014 6:29 pm

He's not my favorite player.

Freeman is da man.

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