UO Trustee not fan of UO cheerleaders

[mattc94]

Rape culture? I'll pass on this one.

[cordy02c]

The other thing most people don't go to games to watch the cheerleaders

[Alan]

I haven't posted in a while, it's because I'm not a big Dana Altman fan and football is in a dead time, I'm a big duck fan but not the men's BB coach. Altman does far more to promote rape on campus than the cheerleaders. I don't give a shyt about responses get us a coach who can recruit class act players. I also was lost as a blazer fan for many years during the jail blazer era. Get rid of Altman, keep the cheerleaders and have some class with the men's BB coach.

JMO,
Alan

[frogsnouts]

If you have a problem so deep that watching cheerleading acts during a football or basketball game causes you to inflict harm on someone else the problem is likely not the cheerleading.

This is my problem with the entire "rape culture" and trying to "end" it with promotional videos and educational programs and attacks on everyone and everything in sight. If you were going to do that to someone (and I'm talking actual sexual assault or rape here), no amount of education is going to stop you. It's like asking a murderer to stop killing people, maybe they will, but odds are they have a deeper problem that you won't be able to solve.

[Phalanx]

I think Ms. Ralph makes a good point about people being uncomfortable with the routines and the music. I also respect her courage for piping up, knowing full well that she would be met with widespread scorn, much like is being expressed in this thread. Some of those outfits are indecent and not very respectful of young ladies, and I would never want my sons to watch it or my daughters to participate. If I were at a game with my kids, I would probably be forced to follow Ms. Ralph out the door during the breaks.

I do take issue with her associating this issue with rape or the 'rape culture' whatever that is - it's possible that she was attempting to link it to the case last year with Artis and Dotson. I don't think anyone is making those girls act that way or choose that music, so I'm not sure where she sees that element in there. If cheerleaders are dancing inappropriately, put the blame where it belongs. Finding a way to blame the people who are watching smacks of angry feminist baloney.

[dd10snoop28]

I think Ms. Ralph makes a good point about people being uncomfortable with the routines and the music. I also respect her courage for piping up, knowing full well that she would be met with widespread scorn, much like is being expressed in this thread. Some of those outfits are indecent and not very respectful of young ladies, and I would never want my sons to watch it or my daughters to participate. If I were at a game with my kids, I would probably be forced to follow Ms. Ralph out the door during the breaks.

I do take issue with her associating this issue with rape or the 'rape culture' whatever that is - it's possible that she was attempting to link it to the case last year with Artis and Dotson. I don't think anyone is making those girls act that way or choose that music, so I'm not sure where she sees that element in there. If cheerleaders are dancing inappropriately, put the blame where it belongs. Finding a way to blame the people who are watching smacks of angry feminist baloney.

I agree completely.

[rockthief]

The young women choose to work really hard and diligently to be cheerleaders. Good for them. I am glad they are beautiful. I enjoy watching them. To say the routines and performances contribute to rape is nonsense. Rapists choose to hurt and abuse and it has nothing to do with anything else.

[duckfan96]

Ive watched and attended Oregon sporting events for a long time. Watched the cheerleaders at most of em. Never once thought about rape or raping. I think some people just like to spout off so they can get in the news. As for not liking Altman that's your opinion...altman promoting rape? Now that's crazy

[buckmarkduck]

That's just stupid. Rapist are sick individuals who I doubt are going to be more or less enclined to rape, if the local college cheerleaders are wearing their normal outfits, or dressed like a middle eastern woman.

[greenyellow]

And in today's letters to the editor, you had even more people complaining about the "overly sexual" cheerleader dances and how they don't represent the tastes of the majority of the fans in the stands: older, long-time season ticket holders. There was even suggestions that the cheerleaders need to follow the more old-fashioned cheerleading styles of Duke, Stanford, and Harvard. I'd say that the cheerleaders are representing the tastes of the younger generation doing the performances and that the old people need to get with the times.

From watching performances they do now compared to when I was going to school back in the mid-2000s, I don't really see a whole lot that's changed to make it any more vulgar or sexually suggestive. It's not exactly like men are doing their choreography and telling them to dance like they are since the dances are choreographed by the cheerleaders themselves and their female coach and choreographer.

[fpsduck]

And in today's letters to the editor, you had even more people complaining about the "overly sexual" cheerleader dances and how they don't represent the tastes of the majority of the fans in the stands: older, long-time season ticket holders. There was even suggestions that the cheerleaders need to follow the more old-fashioned cheerleading styles of Duke, Stanford, and Harvard. I'd say that the cheerleaders are representing the tastes of the younger generation doing the performances and that the old people need to get with the times.

From watching performances they do now compared to when I was going to school back in the mid-2000s, I don't really see a whole lot that's changed to make it any more vulgar or sexually suggestive. It's not exactly like men are doing their choreography and telling them to dance like they are since the dances are choreographed by the cheerleaders themselves and their female coach and choreographer.

I'm willing to bet that the paper got plenty of complaints from the other side of the fence as well, but they chose not to print them...

[buckmarkduck]

And in today's letters to the editor, you had even more people complaining about the "overly sexual" cheerleader dances and how they don't represent the tastes of the majority of the fans in the stands: older, long-time season ticket holders. There was even suggestions that the cheerleaders need to follow the more old-fashioned cheerleading styles of Duke, Stanford, and Harvard. I'd say that the cheerleaders are representing the tastes of the younger generation doing the performances and that the old people need to get with the times.

From watching performances they do now compared to when I was going to school back in the mid-2000s, I don't really see a whole lot that's changed to make it any more vulgar or sexually suggestive. It's not exactly like men are doing their choreography and telling them to dance like they are since the dances are choreographed by the cheerleaders themselves and their female coach and choreographer.

It's good that old people have a voice also.

[Duck07]

And in today's letters to the editor, you had even more people complaining about the "overly sexual" cheerleader dances and how they don't represent the tastes of the majority of the fans in the stands: older, long-time season ticket holders. There was even suggestions that the cheerleaders need to follow the more old-fashioned cheerleading styles of Duke, Stanford, and Harvard. I'd say that the cheerleaders are representing the tastes of the younger generation doing the performances and that the old people need to get with the times.

From watching performances they do now compared to when I was going to school back in the mid-2000s, I don't really see a whole lot that's changed to make it any more vulgar or sexually suggestive. It's not exactly like men are doing their choreography and telling them to dance like they are since the dances are choreographed by the cheerleaders themselves and their female coach and choreographer.

Ah yes, the changing times, wherein we will all soon be putting Brawndo on our plants!

If you don't think twerking to "bang bang" at center court for all to see isn't overtly sexual than you are being naive. Twerking of course, does not intimate anything sexual, on any level at all, right?

Sex is awesome, its healthy and its fun but it shouldn't be everywhere in our society. However our current media driven society sells everything with sex and as new forms of media evolve, we get it at every level. It's a constant dopamine rush and I'm only 29 and I'm finding myself grossed out by some of these things that pass as the new normal just because "the times are changing." Seeing 6 years old being filmed and taught to twerk on youtube/worldstar is disgusting imo. When Abercrombie and Fitch put little cherries on panties for little girls, that was disgusting. (I also see this in other areas, like education where we are actually lowering standards as community colleges now take over what used to be JR/SR year HS level coursework. We're not focused on improving the lives of ourselves and our communities, we're just concerned with pleasing ourselves these days and anything that gets in the way of that pleasure must be removed)

I think some of you must believe that rapists are all born with a preternatural disposition for it by some of the comments in here and that no outside elements can ever come into effect. I don't think this is a nature issue but a nurture issue. As Hannibal Lecter said, "people covet what they see." When they constantly see something repeatedly, its going to mess with their psyche as they begin to obsess over those things whether its the desire for a pretty woman or something like "the government hiding crop circle evidence." Too much of anything is a bad thing. I don't feel the issue is solely about cheerleaders, but I do feel that in conjunction with everything else, its become far too lewd.

Besides, if some of you feel as passionately about these routines as you do, why don't you encourage the male cheerleaders to start wearing skimpier outfits? If everyone loves sex, why don't we start a Pornographic Film department in the CAS? You know how much money a University sponsored Adult Film program would bring in? The OSU Library girl would sign up no doubt.

Cheerleaders and their routines by themselves aren't the sole reason for rapists and anyone trying to argue that is stupid and misguided. However, if you feel that it doesn't contribute, I think you're being naive.

[Bud Lee]

Do they do anything different now than they did in this video? I honestly don't see them doing anything different here than the Tiger Girls or the Golden Girls do, I just see them doing it in less clothing. I wonder if they did that exact same routine in a uniform like USC would people still have a problem with it

[UOducksTK1]

I think Ms. Ralph makes a good point about people being uncomfortable with the routines and the music. I also respect her courage for piping up, knowing full well that she would be met with widespread scorn, much like is being expressed in this thread. Some of those outfits are indecent and not very respectful of young ladies, and I would never want my sons to watch it or my daughters to participate. If I were at a game with my kids, I would probably be forced to follow Ms. Ralph out the door during the breaks.

I do take issue with her associating this issue with rape or the 'rape culture' whatever that is - it's possible that she was attempting to link it to the case last year with Artis and Dotson. I don't think anyone is making those girls act that way or choose that music, so I'm not sure where she sees that element in there. If cheerleaders are dancing inappropriately, put the blame where it belongs. Finding a way to blame the people who are watching smacks of angry feminist baloney.

Good post. +1