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Re: Offseason Discussion/League Improvements
Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2023 10:50 am
by pistolpetejr
Cellar-door wrote:Part of it is also going to just be the nature of the league... teams tank looking for elite talent, the top contenders use that to pick up more talent cheap which means long windows. And record isn't always indicative of GM skill, since a smart GM is going to bottom out for a couple years every so often rather than stick in the middle. If you tank and miss, whether a bad draft, an unlucky bust, pushed down by someone else's lottery luck... well you need to tank a couple more years.
Strategy is a part of it to an extent, not necessarily fully, but yeah, I agree some.
I think it'd be very difficult to try and come up with something here that would be agreed upon by most.
I think the easier move if everyone was up for it would be a randomizer as it pertains to slotting teams in four separate divisions, because it mixes things up, for better or for worse; if the former, great, if the latter, well not sure it's necessarily "for worse" because we already have one conference that's been generally better than the other anyway.
Re: Offseason Discussion/League Improvements
Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2023 10:52 am
by UOducksTK1
UOducksTK1 wrote:Ha! Love you bro, but classic I don't have data so let me force you to provide more data. Very well...
Some stats:
East: 7 teams with higher than .500% playoffs winning percentage
West: 4 teams with higher than .500% playoffs winning percentage
East: 6 teams with multiple finals appearances
West: 4 teams with multiple finals appearances
Again, Grizzlies and Suns help West look good, but East has more depth.
Now Atlantic specifically...
Atlantic 5 teams with multiple finals appearances
Central 1 team with multiple finals appearances
Midwest 1 team with multiple finals appearances
Pacific 3 teams with multiple finals appearances
Atlantic 6 teams with over 50 playoff wins
Central 3 teams with over 50 playoff wins
Midwest 3 teams with over 50 playoff wins
Pacific 5 teams with over 50 playoff wins
Atlantic 5 teams with multiple finals appearances
Central 1 team with multiple finals appearances
Midwest 1 team with multiple finals appearances
Pacific 3 teams with multiple finals appearances
I could post more and more, but Atlantic has most depth.
Oh and Nets like this one.
Teams with the most playoffs appearances:
1 Nets - Atlantic (19)
2 76ers - Atlantic (17)
3 Everyone else...
Re: Offseason Discussion/League Improvements
Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2023 10:58 am
by dd10snoop28
I am carrying the east as far as playoff wins are concerned...you guys are welcome. I guess that's why they call us Tier 1 Nets.
Re: Offseason Discussion/League Improvements
Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2023 11:06 am
by offtheheezy
I was saying it as kind of a joke suggestion, but I don’t think you’d evaluate it based off “GM strength” since that’s subjective. I was just proposing you re-division every year based off record since that’s the most objective way to do it. It kind of seems like a bother though / not worth it.
Historical playoff entry doesn’t mean anything the whole point I think Nuggets are making is that it’s been so easy to make the playoffs in the East, and the WCF have been the “true Finals” for some time
Re: Offseason Discussion/League Improvements
Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2023 11:13 am
by dd10snoop28
offtheheezy wrote:
Historical playoff entry doesn’t mean anything the whole point I think Nuggets are making is that it’s been so easy to make the playoffs in the East, and the WCF have been the “true Finals” for some time
it used to be that it was easy to make playoffs in the west.... these things swing back and forth
Re: Offseason Discussion/League Improvements
Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2023 11:20 am
by offtheheezy
dd10snoop28 wrote:offtheheezy wrote:
Historical playoff entry doesn’t mean anything the whole point I think Nuggets are making is that it’s been so easy to make the playoffs in the East, and the WCF have been the “true Finals” for some time
it used to be that it was easy to make playoffs in the west.... these things swing back and forth
Yeah I agree, which is why I was saying it’s mainly was a joke suggestion from me. You can already see the West falling off a bit, last year was the peak and then downhill a bit.
Redivisioning might make the Nets a tier 5 team and nobody would want that now would we
Re: Offseason Discussion/League Improvements
Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2023 11:37 am
by Foxyg1396
UOducksTK1 wrote:UOducksTK1 wrote:Ha! Love you bro, but classic I don't have data so let me force you to provide more data. Very well...
Some stats:
East: 7 teams with higher than .500% playoffs winning percentage
West: 4 teams with higher than .500% playoffs winning percentage
East: 6 teams with multiple finals appearances
West: 4 teams with multiple finals appearances
Again, Grizzlies and Suns help West look good, but East has more depth.
Now Atlantic specifically...
Atlantic 5 teams with multiple finals appearances
Central 1 team with multiple finals appearances
Midwest 1 team with multiple finals appearances
Pacific 3 teams with multiple finals appearances
Atlantic 6 teams with over 50 playoff wins
Central 3 teams with over 50 playoff wins
Midwest 3 teams with over 50 playoff wins
Pacific 5 teams with over 50 playoff wins
Atlantic 5 teams with multiple finals appearances
Central 1 team with multiple finals appearances
Midwest 1 team with multiple finals appearances
Pacific 3 teams with multiple finals appearances
I could post more and more, but Atlantic has most depth.
Oh and Nets like this one.
Teams with the most playoffs appearances:
1 Nets - Atlantic (19)
2 76ers - Atlantic (17)
3 Everyone else...
I wasn’t necessarily avoiding the question, you were the one who brought in one GMs opinion on the league. I think it is easier to get into the playoffs in the east than it is in the west, but those stats speak for themselves. I’m definitely one of the worst GMs when it comes to making decisions, and it’s all in fun.
Re: Offseason Discussion/League Improvements
Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2023 12:02 pm
by pistolpetejr
Foxyg1396 wrote:UOducksTK1 wrote:UOducksTK1 wrote:Ha! Love you bro, but classic I don't have data so let me force you to provide more data. Very well...
Some stats:
East: 7 teams with higher than .500% playoffs winning percentage
West: 4 teams with higher than .500% playoffs winning percentage
East: 6 teams with multiple finals appearances
West: 4 teams with multiple finals appearances
Again, Grizzlies and Suns help West look good, but East has more depth.
Now Atlantic specifically...
Atlantic 5 teams with multiple finals appearances
Central 1 team with multiple finals appearances
Midwest 1 team with multiple finals appearances
Pacific 3 teams with multiple finals appearances
Atlantic 6 teams with over 50 playoff wins
Central 3 teams with over 50 playoff wins
Midwest 3 teams with over 50 playoff wins
Pacific 5 teams with over 50 playoff wins
Atlantic 5 teams with multiple finals appearances
Central 1 team with multiple finals appearances
Midwest 1 team with multiple finals appearances
Pacific 3 teams with multiple finals appearances
I could post more and more, but Atlantic has most depth.
Oh and Nets like this one.
Teams with the most playoffs appearances:
1 Nets - Atlantic (19)
2 76ers - Atlantic (17)
3 Everyone else...
I wasn’t necessarily avoiding the question, you were the one who brought in one GMs opinion on the league. I think it is easier to get into the playoffs in the east than it is in the west, but those stats speak for themselves. I’m definitely one of the worst GMs when it comes to making decisions, and it’s all in fun.
Don’t think your self-evaluation is necessarily true, for what it’s worth.
Re: Offseason Discussion/League Improvements
Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2023 12:04 pm
by Foxyg1396
pistolpetejr wrote:Foxyg1396 wrote:UOducksTK1 wrote:UOducksTK1 wrote:Ha! Love you bro, but classic I don't have data so let me force you to provide more data. Very well...
Some stats:
East: 7 teams with higher than .500% playoffs winning percentage
West: 4 teams with higher than .500% playoffs winning percentage
East: 6 teams with multiple finals appearances
West: 4 teams with multiple finals appearances
Again, Grizzlies and Suns help West look good, but East has more depth.
Now Atlantic specifically...
Atlantic 5 teams with multiple finals appearances
Central 1 team with multiple finals appearances
Midwest 1 team with multiple finals appearances
Pacific 3 teams with multiple finals appearances
Atlantic 6 teams with over 50 playoff wins
Central 3 teams with over 50 playoff wins
Midwest 3 teams with over 50 playoff wins
Pacific 5 teams with over 50 playoff wins
Atlantic 5 teams with multiple finals appearances
Central 1 team with multiple finals appearances
Midwest 1 team with multiple finals appearances
Pacific 3 teams with multiple finals appearances
I could post more and more, but Atlantic has most depth.
Oh and Nets like this one.
Teams with the most playoffs appearances:
1 Nets - Atlantic (19)
2 76ers - Atlantic (17)
3 Everyone else...
I wasn’t necessarily avoiding the question, you were the one who brought in one GMs opinion on the league. I think it is easier to get into the playoffs in the east than it is in the west, but those stats speak for themselves. I’m definitely one of the worst GMs when it comes to making decisions, and it’s all in fun.
Don’t think your self-evaluation is necessarily true, for what it’s worth.
I appreciate that, but my team has had nothing to show for our struggles. I need to be more patient with my team I think.
Re: Offseason Discussion/League Improvements
Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2023 12:06 pm
by pistolpetejr
Foxyg1396 wrote:pistolpetejr wrote:Foxyg1396 wrote:UOducksTK1 wrote:UOducksTK1 wrote:Ha! Love you bro, but classic I don't have data so let me force you to provide more data. Very well...
Some stats:
East: 7 teams with higher than .500% playoffs winning percentage
West: 4 teams with higher than .500% playoffs winning percentage
East: 6 teams with multiple finals appearances
West: 4 teams with multiple finals appearances
Again, Grizzlies and Suns help West look good, but East has more depth.
Now Atlantic specifically...
Atlantic 5 teams with multiple finals appearances
Central 1 team with multiple finals appearances
Midwest 1 team with multiple finals appearances
Pacific 3 teams with multiple finals appearances
Atlantic 6 teams with over 50 playoff wins
Central 3 teams with over 50 playoff wins
Midwest 3 teams with over 50 playoff wins
Pacific 5 teams with over 50 playoff wins
Atlantic 5 teams with multiple finals appearances
Central 1 team with multiple finals appearances
Midwest 1 team with multiple finals appearances
Pacific 3 teams with multiple finals appearances
I could post more and more, but Atlantic has most depth.
Oh and Nets like this one.
Teams with the most playoffs appearances:
1 Nets - Atlantic (19)
2 76ers - Atlantic (17)
3 Everyone else...
I wasn’t necessarily avoiding the question, you were the one who brought in one GMs opinion on the league. I think it is easier to get into the playoffs in the east than it is in the west, but those stats speak for themselves. I’m definitely one of the worst GMs when it comes to making decisions, and it’s all in fun.
Don’t think your self-evaluation is necessarily true, for what it’s worth.
I appreciate that, but my team has had nothing to show for our struggles. I need to be more patient with my team I think.
Since I’ve been here I think you’ve made good moves for the most part. Can’t recall them all right now but yeah.
I think part of it for you the last few years is the drafts haven’t been the best and you’ve ended up picking talent that usually takes a bit more time to come into its own (ie. wings), or sometimes that just don’t pan out (eg. Potentially Maggette).
Re: Offseason Discussion/League Improvements
Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2023 12:37 pm
by UOducksTK1
Foxyg1396 wrote:UOducksTK1 wrote:UOducksTK1 wrote:Ha! Love you bro, but classic I don't have data so let me force you to provide more data. Very well...
Some stats:
East: 7 teams with higher than .500% playoffs winning percentage
West: 4 teams with higher than .500% playoffs winning percentage
East: 6 teams with multiple finals appearances
West: 4 teams with multiple finals appearances
Again, Grizzlies and Suns help West look good, but East has more depth.
Now Atlantic specifically...
Atlantic 5 teams with multiple finals appearances
Central 1 team with multiple finals appearances
Midwest 1 team with multiple finals appearances
Pacific 3 teams with multiple finals appearances
Atlantic 6 teams with over 50 playoff wins
Central 3 teams with over 50 playoff wins
Midwest 3 teams with over 50 playoff wins
Pacific 5 teams with over 50 playoff wins
Atlantic 5 teams with multiple finals appearances
Central 1 team with multiple finals appearances
Midwest 1 team with multiple finals appearances
Pacific 3 teams with multiple finals appearances
I could post more and more, but Atlantic has most depth.
Oh and Nets like this one.
Teams with the most playoffs appearances:
1 Nets - Atlantic (19)
2 76ers - Atlantic (17)
3 Everyone else...
I wasn’t necessarily avoiding the question, you were the one who brought in one GMs opinion on the league. I think it is easier to get into the playoffs in the east than it is in the west, but those stats speak for themselves. I’m definitely one of the worst GMs when it comes to making decisions, and it’s all in fun.
No worries. And right now, yeah it is harder to get into the playoffs in the West than the East. But 12 sim years ago, it was swapped for like a decade.
It ebbs and flows (usually). I do think the West has more active GMs right now too, which is helping their cause. And you're a fine GM, keep it up.
Re: Offseason Discussion/League Improvements
Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2023 12:39 pm
by UOducksTK1
dd10snoop28 wrote:offtheheezy wrote:
Historical playoff entry doesn’t mean anything the whole point I think Nuggets are making is that it’s been so easy to make the playoffs in the East, and the WCF have been the “true Finals” for some time
it used to be that it was easy to make playoffs in the west.... these things swing back and forth
This^
Obviously right now the west is stronger and way harder to make playoffs. Mixing things up for sake of parity is really lame IMO. Feels like a welfare case.
Honestly though, if GMs want to switch divisions to an open team, I'm not 100% opposed to that. Maybe league would have to vote to approve?
Re: Offseason Discussion/League Improvements
Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2023 12:57 pm
by Craig
Whole lotta hand wringing for a 'problem' that may or may not even exist. What are you solving for? What does having 'GM talent' more evenly distributed between conferences do for us?
Re: Offseason Discussion/League Improvements
Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2023 1:16 pm
by dd10snoop28
just a fun discussion tbh