Craig wrote:
Is there a way to get around bidding on guys you may not get though? Like if I'm $5mil under the hard cap and offer a $5mil contract to two different players cause i'm not sure I'll get either one - if it won't let you put in bids that add up over, doesn't that restriction come a bit too early in the process?
If you have bird rights on both of them then you wouldn't be allowed to submit two $5M bids if you're $5M under the hard cap.
If you're $5M under the soft cap, then you can put any number of $5M bids on anyone without bird rights, since one of them signing would eliminate the rest of your offers
Yes it would?
If you have bird rights on two players and submit $5M bids on both of them while being only $5M under the hard cap, there's a legitimate chance you go over the hard cap. These are the type of offers that were explicitly rejected from me by Ownage when I tried to put them in.
What will happen then if both sign? One just go back to the pool?
Craig wrote:
Is there a way to get around bidding on guys you may not get though? Like if I'm $5mil under the hard cap and offer a $5mil contract to two different players cause i'm not sure I'll get either one - if it won't let you put in bids that add up over, doesn't that restriction come a bit too early in the process?
If you have bird rights on both of them then you wouldn't be allowed to submit two $5M bids if you're $5M under the hard cap.
If you're $5M under the soft cap, then you can put any number of $5M bids on anyone without bird rights, since one of them signing would eliminate the rest of your offers
Yes it would?
If you have bird rights on two players and submit $5M bids on both of them while being only $5M under the hard cap, there's a legitimate chance you go over the hard cap. These are the type of offers that were explicitly rejected from me by Ownage when I tried to put them in.
What will happen then if both sign? One just go back to the pool?
OH sorry, yes. I read salary cap the first time.
No you are correct. So in your case, we would consider that 10 mil of bids, which would invalidate the bids because it would send you over. So the website would not allow you to submit those bids.
Craig wrote:
Is there a way to get around bidding on guys you may not get though? Like if I'm $5mil under the hard cap and offer a $5mil contract to two different players cause i'm not sure I'll get either one - if it won't let you put in bids that add up over, doesn't that restriction come a bit too early in the process?
If you have bird rights on both of them then you wouldn't be allowed to submit two $5M bids if you're $5M under the hard cap.
If you're $5M under the soft cap, then you can put any number of $5M bids on anyone without bird rights, since one of them signing would eliminate the rest of your offers
Yes it would?
If you have bird rights on two players and submit $5M bids on both of them while being only $5M under the hard cap, there's a legitimate chance you go over the hard cap. These are the type of offers that were explicitly rejected from me by Ownage when I tried to put them in.
What will happen then if both sign? One just go back to the pool?
Well if Ownage already declined them then there's no harm in the page doing the same.
Craig wrote:
Is there a way to get around bidding on guys you may not get though? Like if I'm $5mil under the hard cap and offer a $5mil contract to two different players cause i'm not sure I'll get either one - if it won't let you put in bids that add up over, doesn't that restriction come a bit too early in the process?
If you have bird rights on both of them then you wouldn't be allowed to submit two $5M bids if you're $5M under the hard cap.
If you're $5M under the soft cap, then you can put any number of $5M bids on anyone without bird rights, since one of them signing would eliminate the rest of your offers
Yes it would?
If you have bird rights on two players and submit $5M bids on both of them while being only $5M under the hard cap, there's a legitimate chance you go over the hard cap. These are the type of offers that were explicitly rejected from me by Ownage when I tried to put them in.
What will happen then if both sign? One just go back to the pool?
OH sorry, yes. I read salary cap the first time.
No you are correct. So in your case, we would consider that 10 mil of bids, which would invalidate the bids because it would send you over. So the website would not allow you to submit those bids.
yeah, for salary cap I think you can put up to like 15 total offers for the same cap space as long as none of them use bird rights.
Also the one situation where you could submit $5M bids on two bird rights guys while only $5M under the hard cap would be if you have 14 players on the roster, since then you're guaranteed only one of them can sign. So roster space would also have to be stored
Honestly this would eliminate all FA hard cap issues.
Then for the rest of the regular season, if a transactions causes you to go over (reg season fa signing or trade), we would just cancel the transactions.
So technically, never have to give out a penalty ever again!
UOducksTK1 wrote:Honestly this would eliminate all FA hard cap issues.
Then for the rest of the regular season, if a transactions causes you to go over (reg season fa signing or trade), we would just cancel the transactions.
So technically, never have to give out a penalty ever again!
+1, best solution is always prevention over punishment
UOducksTK1 wrote:Honestly this would eliminate all FA hard cap issues.
Then for the rest of the regular season, if a transactions causes you to go over (reg season fa signing or trade), we would just cancel the transactions.
So technically, never have to give out a penalty ever again!
ALMOST.
if someone signs enough big deals on resignings that they're at like <12 players and cannot sign enough mins to reach 12, then one could still go over.
Maybe at that point going over the HC should get a reward. Free +2 to a stat!
offtheheezy wrote:
yeah, for salary cap I think you can put up to like 15 total offers for the same cap space as long as none of them use bird rights.
Also the one situation where you could submit $5M bids on two bird rights guys while only $5M under the hard cap would be if you have 14 players on the roster, since then you're guaranteed only one of them can sign. So roster space would also have to be stored
Along that same thought...
I was also thinking if a team is 5 mil from the hard cap and offers a guy with bird 5 mil (But only has 6 guys on roster). The game should also not allow such a bid.
So for each roster spot you dont have, we should subtract the min (330k) from your available bid space). SO in that case. 5 guys * 330 = ~2mil.
So he could only offer a guy up to 3mil, since he'd need at least 2 mil to sign minimum FAs after offseason FA.
UOducksTK1 wrote:Honestly this would eliminate all FA hard cap issues.
Then for the rest of the regular season, if a transactions causes you to go over (reg season fa signing or trade), we would just cancel the transactions.
So technically, never have to give out a penalty ever again!
ALMOST.
if someone signs enough big deals on resignings that they're at like <12 players and cannot sign enough mins to reach 12, then one could still go over.
Maybe at that point going over the HC should get a reward. Free +2 to a stat!
UOducksTK1 wrote:Honestly this would eliminate all FA hard cap issues.
Then for the rest of the regular season, if a transactions causes you to go over (reg season fa signing or trade), we would just cancel the transactions.
So technically, never have to give out a penalty ever again!
ALMOST.
if someone signs enough big deals on resignings that they're at like <12 players and cannot sign enough mins to reach 12, then one could still go over.
Maybe at that point going over the HC should get a reward. Free +2 to a stat!
Not if the validator takes into account roster space and always allocates (12-N)*322817 under the hard cap additionally. But this one would be in question since technically you can have the person make trades after FA to get around it prior to the start of the season
lukeyrid13 wrote:This conversation is far too nerdy for me
I thought you were overreacting at first, but nope.
If you want to make it nerdier, you'd have to also make sure there's enough rookies left in FA for everyone to get to 12 if you had like half the league doing this half rookie roster things . Shouldn't be a problem though, but the nerdiness would never end
We don't have any bad actors in this league so any additional penalties are dumb. Penalties/laws are made for the bad actors; not for GM's who are doing things out of good intent (I have seen no evidence of purposeful ill intent).
Additionally, this isn't a pervasive issue in the least. Have I been the only person to go over hardcap recently? the other cases were so minimal I don't even remember off the top of my head.
Either way: the proposed solution above would solve accidental mistakes made by gm's.
yeah, for salary cap I think you can put up to like 15 total offers for the same cap space as long as none of them use bird rights.
. Shouldn't be a problem though, but the nerdiness would never end 
