SEC defenses are good, but their offenses are worse

[UOducksTK1]

Alabama, who scored the most points on them? Georgia Southern!
LSU, who scored the most points on them? Oregon! Followed by West Virginia!
How many SEC teams in conference play scored over 17 points vs LSU? 0 out of 9!
How many non-conference teams scored 21 or over vs LSU? 2 out of 4

SEC's best teams dominate SEC. Yes they have good defenses. But I also think it helps how crappy SEC offense are. It makes them look that much better. Just some interesting facts for this year.

[Bud Lee]

No take that logic....reverse it...and apply it to the Pac 12 and their offenses/defenses.

Just food for thought....is you offenses as good as they look....or is the lack of defense making them look better.

This is no doubt a low year for the SEC and offense...but...take a look at the bowls. We don't seem to have a problem scoring against OOC teams.

[UOducksTK1]

No take that logic....reverse it...and apply it to the Pac 12 and their offenses/defenses.

Just food for thought....is you offenses as good as they look....or is the lack of defense making them look better.

This is no doubt a low year for the SEC and offense...but...take a look at the bowls. We don't seem to have a problem scoring against OOC teams.

Not even close to the same..

USC Trojans:
4 Pac-12 teams scored 35 or more points on USC
0 Non-Conference teams scored over 17 points on USC

Oregon Ducks:
LSU did score the most points on the Ducks this year, but thank the turnovers.
4 Pac-12 teams scored 30 or more points on Oregon
1 Non-Conference team scored over 20 points on Oregon

Stanford Cardinal:
5 Pac-12 teams scored 20 or more points on Stanford
0 Non-Conference teams scored scored over 15 points on Stanford

[Elduderino]

No take that logic....reverse it...and apply it to the Pac 12 and their offenses/defenses.

Just food for thought....is you offenses as good as they look....or is the lack of defense making them look better.

This is no doubt a low year for the SEC and offense...but...take a look at the bowls. We don't seem to have a problem scoring against OOC teams.

Not even close to the same..

USC Trojans:
4 Pac-12 teams scored 35 or more points on USC
0 Non-Conference teams scored over 17 points on USC

Oregon Ducks:
LSU did score the most points on the Ducks this year, but thank the turnovers.
4 Pac-12 teams scored 30 or more points on Oregon
1 Non-Conference team scored over 20 points on Oregon

Stanford Cardinal:
5 Pac-12 teams scored 20 or more points on Stanford
0 Non-Conference teams scored scored over 15 points on Stanford

The numbers are a little misleading though, because they don't take into account who the NonConf teams are. Using these metrics, we're taking advantage of LSU playing UO and WV (2 of the best offensive teams in the country) to prove our point. Even if LSU played, say Texas A&M and Nebraska, they may not have had 2/4 NonConf teams scoring over 20. Put simply, LSU played two teams who are probably superior offensively to anyone else in their conference and gave up yds and points---but as we all know, still won the games because they can generate points through special teams and defense. As for Georgia Southern and Alabama? One of those TDs was a special teams score, and they run a triple option scheme that can take advantage of an unprepared (or over-confident) opponent. I'd consider it an anomoly and an outlier.

I think both ways, this debate is over-stated. It shouldn't come as a surprise when SEC offenses score more OOC than they do within, because they simply don't see the same quality of defense. Likewise, teams from the Pac12 will give up more against each other (comparative to their OOC opponents) simply because the offenses get much better in conference.

[UOducksTK1]

No take that logic....reverse it...and apply it to the Pac 12 and their offenses/defenses.

Just food for thought....is you offenses as good as they look....or is the lack of defense making them look better.

This is no doubt a low year for the SEC and offense...but...take a look at the bowls. We don't seem to have a problem scoring against OOC teams.

Not even close to the same..

USC Trojans:
4 Pac-12 teams scored 35 or more points on USC
0 Non-Conference teams scored over 17 points on USC

Oregon Ducks:
LSU did score the most points on the Ducks this year, but thank the turnovers.
4 Pac-12 teams scored 30 or more points on Oregon
1 Non-Conference team scored over 20 points on Oregon

Stanford Cardinal:
5 Pac-12 teams scored 20 or more points on Stanford
0 Non-Conference teams scored scored over 15 points on Stanford

The numbers are a little misleading though, because they don't take into account who the NonConf teams are. Using these metrics, we're taking advantage of LSU playing UO and WV (2 of the best offensive teams in the country) to prove our point. Even if LSU played, say Texas A&M and Nebraska, they may not have had 2/4 NonConf teams scoring over 20. Put simply, LSU played two teams who are probably superior offensively to anyone else in their conference and gave up yds and points---but as we all know, still won the games because they can generate points through special teams and defense. As for Georgia Southern and Alabama? One of those TDs was a special teams score, and they run a triple option scheme that can take advantage of an unprepared (or over-confident) opponent. I'd consider it an anomoly and an outlier.

I think both ways, this debate is over-stated. It shouldn't come as a surprise when SEC offenses score more OOC than they do within, because they simply don't see the same quality of defense. Likewise, teams from the Pac12 will give up more against each other (comparative to their OOC opponents) simply because the offenses get much better in conference.

I buy that. But still, it's substantial how the top teams in the SEC give up more points to the best non-conf teams they face, whereas the Pac-12 best teams (even with decently schedule opponents) almost always give the most points to Pac-12 foes.

Just saying.

[Duck07]

Well, can't forgot that the SEC also plays only 8 conference games, something we need to do yesterday. That helps tremendously skew statistics too for the majority of those schools who replace that conf team with a patsy like UF does. (No, LSU does not do that Bud, but we've beaten that horse)

That said, had this Oregon-LSU game happened in week 8, I have no idea what the outcome would have been and I don't believe Bud truly would know either. I'd certainly like our chances a whole lot better though. That's what a playoff would do to, create less down time between games and not give teams that much time to prepare for one team. Yes, it works both ways but this is the only level of football that is set-up this way. An 8-team playoff over 6 weeks doesn't have that absurd down time and doesn't allow for one team to get rusty playing against the same scout team week after week.

[Elduderino]

Well, can't forgot that the SEC also plays only 8 conference games, something we need to do yesterday. That helps tremendously skew statistics too for the majority of those schools who replace that conf team with a patsy like UF does. (No, LSU does not do that Bud, but we've beaten that horse)

That said, had this Oregon-LSU game happened in week 8, I have no idea what the outcome would have been and I don't believe Bud truly would know either. I'd certainly like our chances a whole lot better though. That's what a playoff would do to, create less down time between games and not give teams that much time to prepare for one team. Yes, it works both ways but this is the only level of football that is set-up this way. An 8-team playoff over 6 weeks doesn't have that absurd down time and doesn't allow for one team to get rusty playing against the same scout team week after week.

This is a good point. Knock SC off our schedule and add a New Mexico and we would have seen a different rematch.

[lukeyrid13]

SEC teams put their best athletes on defense.....DAT would be a corner, Huff a safety, Lyerla a MLB, Barner a CB, French an OLB, Blackmon a DB etc....Imagine how our defense would look with those guys on it and comparatively how our offense would look.

[tidefan1]

Bama #1 scoring defense, #20 scoring offense..........just sayin'.

[Duck07]

Bama #1 scoring defense, #20 scoring offense..........just sayin'.

That all powerful D got ran rough-shod by that mighty Georgia Southern offense. Would love to see Bama D's against Oregon with only a week to prepare.

[duck55]

Bama #1 scoring defense, #20 scoring offense..........just sayin'.

That all powerful D got ran rough-shod by that mighty Georgia Southern offense. Would love to see Bama D's against Oregon at Autzen, with only a week to prepare.

fixed

[tidefan1]

Me too!