What the Hell Nike?

[GrandpaDuck]

He claims people aren't being held accountable for crimes they commit. Last time I checked we voted for judges and most states elect the attorney general. Donating money to charities is great but that doesn't put people in the positions to hold people accountable or fight for social justice. I just don't understand why he half committed to a cause, no follow through.

I personally never miss a election and I am very active in local politics to help better my area. With that said, some people feel so discouraged by the system and believe that voting isn't going to change anything that they don't. I do believe that is the wrong approach and he should use his platform to encourage people to be informed voters and he should lead by example.

I seldom vote for president. I'll vote for local offices but usually leave President blank as my vote would be an endorsement of an insulting compromise written into the constitution that as bad as it was in concept, soon morphed in application into an abomination that its creators hadn't anticipated and were appalled by. I would vote for President as a practical matter if the election in my state was going to be close. I have voted twice in a Presidential election because one of the candidates I found more repugnant than the Connecticut Compromise.

Many people to the far left or right of the political spectrum don't vote at all as they see it as an endorsement of a rigged system.

[Duck07]

He claims people aren't being held accountable for crimes they commit. Last time I checked we voted for judges and most states elect the attorney general. Donating money to charities is great but that doesn't put people in the positions to hold people accountable or fight for social justice. I just don't understand why he half committed to a cause, no follow through.

I personally never miss a election and I am very active in local politics to help better my area. With that said, some people feel so discouraged by the system and believe that voting isn't going to change anything that they don't. I do believe that is the wrong approach and he should use his platform to encourage people to be informed voters and he should lead by example.

I seldom vote for president. I'll vote for local offices but usually leave President blank as my vote would be an endorsement of an insulting compromise written into the constitution that as bad as it was in concept, soon morphed in application into an abomination that its creators hadn't anticipated and were appalled by. I would vote for President as a practical matter if the election in my state was going to be close. I have voted twice in a Presidential election because one of the candidates that I found more repugnant than the Connecticut Compromise.

Many people to the far left or right of the political spectrum don't vote at all as they see it as an endorsement of a rigged system.

What is really that repugnant about equal representation in the Senate and proportional representation in the House? Or is this entirely about counting slaves as 3/5 of person?

[GrandpaDuck]

Naw, most of this stuff is just straight up narcissism. Eliminating Social Injustice is one of the most short-sighted things I've heard in recent years. Not because it's not a "worthy cause," but some things you are simply never going to get rid of. Create one persons utopia and you've created a purgatory for another.

People use these causes to go and bully those they don't agree with, not on working on actual changes and yes, that goes for people like CK who donate money too. That Orange Pumpkin has asked them to give him a list of people to consider for pardons for example and to my knowledge, not a single one has presented him a name. Why? It's not about change, its about winning a trite argument for the majority of these individuals.

On Thursday, four of those players responded.

In an op-ed for the New York Times, Eagles safety Malcolm Jenkins, Panthers wide receiver Torrey Smith, Seahawks wide receiver Doug Baldwin and Saints tight end Benjamin Watson gave credit to Trump for taking Kim Kardashian's recommendation to commute the sentence of 63-year-old Alice Johnson, who was serving a life sentence for a non-violent drug conviction. But the players also said individual pardons aren't enough to address problems in the criminal justice system.

"If President Trump thinks he can end these injustices if we deliver him a few names, he hasn't been listening to us," the NFL players wrote. "Imagine how many more Alice Johnsons the president could pardon if he treated the issue like the systemic problem it is, rather than asking professional football players for a few cases."

Among the recommendations the players had for the president were to issue a blanket pardon for people in Johnson's situation and order the release of any drug offender older than age 60 with a non-recent conviction. They also pressed Trump to work with Attorney General Jeff Sessions to eliminate life without parole for nonviolent offenses.

"Our being professional athletes has nothing to do with our commitment to fighting injustice," the players wrote. "We are citizens who embrace the values of empathy, integrity and justice, and we will fight for what we believe is right."

The Orange Twitter Orator did not respond to the Op-Ed nor did he pardon or commute any of those suggested. He has given 7 pardons total, one as a favor to Kim Kardasian, five with strong ties to republican politics or even further to the right and Jack Johnson the long dead boxer.

[Phenom]

[GrandpaDuck]

He claims people aren't being held accountable for crimes they commit. Last time I checked we voted for judges and most states elect the attorney general. Donating money to charities is great but that doesn't put people in the positions to hold people accountable or fight for social justice. I just don't understand why he half committed to a cause, no follow through.

I personally never miss a election and I am very active in local politics to help better my area. With that said, some people feel so discouraged by the system and believe that voting isn't going to change anything that they don't. I do believe that is the wrong approach and he should use his platform to encourage people to be informed voters and he should lead by example.

I seldom vote for president. I'll vote for local offices but usually leave President blank as my vote would be an endorsement of an insulting compromise written into the constitution that as bad as it was in concept, soon morphed in application into an abomination that its creators hadn't anticipated and were appalled by. I would vote for President as a practical matter if the election in my state was going to be close. I have voted twice in a Presidential election because one of the candidates that I found more repugnant than the Connecticut Compromise.

Many people to the far left or right of the political spectrum don't vote at all as they see it as an endorsement of a rigged system.

What is really that repugnant about equal representation in the Senate and proportional representation in the House? Or is this entirely about counting slaves as 3/5 of person?

Neither is my issue, though slavery sucks and arbitrarily adding a proportional to a non-proportional number in assigning the number of electors sucks too. One vote of equal value per voter is my preference, but not the intention of the founding fathers. What I find insulting as an individual voter is the distrust the founding fathers had in us rable and set up massive buffers to protect us from our stupidity. Ok maybe that wasn't all that bad an idea, but then the States screwed the pooch from the original design by holding popular elections to select a winner takes all the electors format which creates a huge randomness to the outcome. While there is a marked advantage to the party that does well in the smaller states it can completely backfire where an election could easily occur where small victories in a group of large states could offset a huge advantage in both the popular vote total and number of states carried by the "losing" candidate.

This last election there were three states that were virtual dead heats and could have gone either way depending on the weather in different parts of the state. Those 3 states where the electorate was basically undecided had 38 electoral votes. If all those had gone Green less than 100,000 people would have preferred the Green candidate, yet they had twice the electoral say of three adjacent southern states that gave Orange a huge percentage mandate and over a 1,000,000 vote margin of victory.

With all the money, time and emotion put into Presidential elections, playing on a tilted field with a randomizing setup has bugged the crap out of me since grade school.

[Duck07]

I would really dislike it if 1/3 of the Senate was like the House and made of Californians, Texans, New Yorkers and Floridians. I also believe that the 'tyranny of the majority' is a real thing and that a system of checks and balances so that the majority does not lord over the minority and the minority can't lord over the majority is a good thing when living in a Republic. If you're bothered by the distrust they gave to the citizens it should be lost when considering the other tools they gave us such as the right of Grand Juries (not that we use them) and the fact that none of them really trusted the others. It was all an experiment and it still is; hence the Preamble: In order to form a more perfect Union...

The Op-Ed only serves to reinforce the narcissism and bully tactics that's being used based upon the selection you gave. They don't want to give names, they want blanket pardons. They put all of this on the current guy, but never raised any objections to the last guy. They don't want to pressure legislators into creating new laws to address these things, they just want to whine which is why they use rhetoric such as "if the president thinks he can end injustice if we deliver him a few names." No, they are the ones being naive talking about ending injustice without even bringing up the conditions that lead to it and thus make the topic seem like its such a simple fix when its anything but. There are a few of them that do get a little more specific, but by and large it's just the Howard Beale act.

How many of those football players had their father raise them their entire youth? How many of them come from the inner cities where there are no more manufacturing jobs that used to keep families together? How available is housing in those areas and why haven't any enterprising athletes used their wealth to create housing divisions? There are causes and effects and when people only lash out at the effects without treating the cause, it sounds pretty stupid to me.

Now don't get me wrong, we do have major problems in this country. My personal opinion is that if you want to create those fixes for the everyday person then you have to address the more pressing needs such as our unchecked Foreign Policy that leads to massive spending and waste and the rampant influence of money in elections. Everyone wants to join the Socialism train but if you want to pay for these things we'd need to stop bombing and subverting the regimes of 20+ countries right now.

Then there's the problem of which condition should I most be concerned about? Is it the sheer number of heroin in our state/country that's killing and destroying our youth? Or is it the people now enslaved in Libya and North Africa due to people like the War Monger McCain, excuse me, All American Hero McCain? The 3 decade Genocide in Sudan? The slaughter of innocent Yemeni's? The political conditions in mainland China? Or maybe I should be concerned about a system which keeps the majority of those black youths entrapped because it glorifies the hood and gang culture yet one in which they refuse to accept as creating a problem for them because they feel they're all fucked anyways because they're black and poor and live in the hood? NIke got in trouble recently for selling balaclavas, not because it cost 92$ but because it apparently glorified "gang culture." There was a time when Nike was criticized for selling shoes that poor youth couldn't afford and a young Kevin Garnett talked about it. I spent a lot of my youth growing up on Native American reservations, you want to talk about a group of people who are dis-proportionally treated, go look at the sexual assault statistics for Native women, who is standing up for them? Let me guess, Dan Snyder.

Bringing this back to the subject, I don't like the continued interjection of politics into sports and entertainment. I mainly don't like it because I don't give 2 poodles about what most of these athletes who barely attended class while in school think but also because I don't need them telling me that things are bad. The entire point of watching sports or entertainment is largely to step outside of that real world for a moment. If they want to continue to press their views concurrently with their profession, then it likely it will continue to turn more people away leading to a loss of their revenue.

[StevensTechU]

Came across this video on Twitter, and was like 'hey, I know a forum thread this would fit on.' Worth the 2 minutes of your day.

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[Duck24]

Sigh. You know who is upset about this? 40+ year old white people who don’t purchase Nike clothing or if they do, won’t change their purchasing habits because of other allegiances. It’s not like you folks who are upset are going to either stop wearing or buying Oregon Ducks gear just because of this. You know who loves this move? Nike’s target consumer base and current/prospective brand ambassadors. The rest of us, like myself, are indifferent. Nike is a business and their goal is to make money. They think that in the long run, they’ll make money off of this, either directly or indirectly. In the short term, they’ll have to deal with this Fake...I mean Fox...news outrage and a few tweets from our Orange Blumpkin president but I’m going to go out on a limb and say they did their market research on this.

So please continue to bitch and moan about this. Burn those Nike shoes that you don’t wear, cut the swoosh off your socks that you already bought...that’ll show them.

Nike lost 3 Billion today. Seems a lot of people are "showing" them...

Nike closed today at $79.60, 15 cents under the August 17th close of $79.75. After hours trading went to $79.86. So far this is simple market fluctuation. Four months back it was trading in the mid $60's.

I'm not talking about on August 7 or four months ago. Nike lost 3.7 Billion dollarsTODAY!

I’m just going to assume you don’t understand market cap/valuations and how that impacts corporate financials because if you did, you wouldn’t be making a big deal out of a one day drop in stock price. If you’re going to report on Nike’s stock performance, you should also report on other similar sports apparel company stock price performance as well since a majority of those were down comparable percentages to Nike yesterday and they didn’t launch a Kaepernick marketing campaign this weekend.

I look forward to your continued analysis of Nike’s stock price as a result of this marketing campaign. Early results today have Nike up roughly 1/3 of what they lost yesterday. Or in your overly dramatic tone, Nike has made roughly $1 BILLION TODAY!!!!

[Duck07]

Came across this video on Twitter, and was like 'hey, I know a forum thread this would fit on.' Worth the 2 minutes of your day.

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I'm well aware of Nate Boyer and there are seemingly an equal number of Vets who fall on either side of the issue. Still, the single biggest problem with this act was his response following it

I am not going to stand up to show pride in a flag for a country that oppresses black people and people of color," Kaepernick told NFL Media in an exclusive interview after the game. "To me, this is bigger than football and it would be selfish on my part to look the other way. There are bodies in the street and people getting paid leave and getting away with murder.

It's just one big F You, that's it. Nothing constructive about, just destructive. Why the NFLPA hasn't demanded PSA time during games to present this in a constructive manner yet is beyond me.

[TualatinDuck]

Came across this video on Twitter, and was like 'hey, I know a forum thread this would fit on.' Worth the 2 minutes of your day.

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I'm well aware of Nate Boyer and there are seemingly an equal number of Vets who fall on either side of the issue. Still, the single biggest problem with this act was his response following it

I am not going to stand up to show pride in a flag for a country that oppresses black people and people of color," Kaepernick told NFL Media in an exclusive interview after the game. "To me, this is bigger than football and it would be selfish on my part to look the other way. There are bodies in the street and people getting paid leave and getting away with murder.

It's just one big F You, that's it. Nothing constructive about, just destructive. Why the NFLPA hasn't demanded PSA time during games to present this in a constructive manner yet is beyond me.

Ive been saying this same thing for a couple years now.

[pezsez1]

I am not going to stand up to show pride in a flag for a country that oppresses black people and people of color," Kaepernick told NFL Media in an exclusive interview after the game. "To me, this is bigger than football and it would be selfish on my part to look the other way. There are bodies in the street and people getting paid leave and getting away with murder.

I love this quote. It's honest. And, sadly, this actually happens. And when some of the most prominent African Americans attempt to peacefully draw attention to it, white people go nuts and hyperfocus on "but the anthem!" and "but veterans!"

Seriously, I'm so glad to be a white male. Being anything else must be ****ing exhausting.

[UOducksTK1]

I am not going to stand up to show pride in a flag for a country that oppresses black people and people of color," Kaepernick told NFL Media in an exclusive interview after the game. "To me, this is bigger than football and it would be selfish on my part to look the other way. There are bodies in the street and people getting paid leave and getting away with murder.

I love this quote. It's honest. And, sadly, this actually happens. And when some of the most prominent African Americans attempt to peacefully draw attention to it, white people go nuts and hyperfocus on "but the anthem!" and "but veterans!"

Seriously, I'm so glad to be a white male. Being anything else must be ****ing exhausting.

IDK man, I'm middle eastern and it's a little frustrating for me because I don't get the same perks African Americans do. When it came to applying for scholarships at Portland State, they said my skin was too white, my GPA was too high, and my parents were too educated for me to get any scholarship. Also when it came for applying for jobs, intel didn't hire me because I was too white and they were looking to hire more minorities.

I've also heard LeBron say how if you got declined an autograph from a black man, people will freak out. But if you got declined an autograph from a white man, you'd be fine with that. Personally, I don't see that. I think a very, very small perentage of people would act like that. I got declined a picture with Robin Lopez at S&S, and I wasn't stoked about it. Really don't stop to think, well, he's Cuban so I should be more frustrated than if it was Collins.

So from my experience, I feel like there is so much more support and focus for African Americans to thrive in society, and it's actually much more difficult for a middle eastern like me to thrive. Not to mention, people look at me a little differently especially when I have my beard grown out (and especially at places like airports). But frankly that doesn't bother me, since pretty much every airplane terrorist is middle eastern. If my people are committing crimes at a higher rate, then it makes sense people will be more nervous around me and airports should search my kind more. I don't be get mad at other people or TSA, I get mad at my middle eastern people for being idiots and evil. On that same note, obviously we aren't all the same. But the precautions and views from society IMO are completely justified. But I'm not going to go complain to everyone and say how people suppress me and judge me.

Anyway pez, walk around as a middle eastern man for a bit, and maybe you won't be so glad to be a white male. Just saying.

[greenyellow]

I know CK says he can't get a job in football due to the NFL owner's supposedly colluding against him but the NFL is not the only football league in North America; he could always go to Canada and play in the CFL. I know the money isn't as good there but he could prove he still has the talent to play at a high level. At this point, it just looks like he feels entitled to a spot in the NFL and it petulantly trying to force his way back in by bringing a lawsuit against the league.

[lukeyrid13]

I am not going to stand up to show pride in a flag for a country that oppresses black people and people of color," Kaepernick told NFL Media in an exclusive interview after the game. "To me, this is bigger than football and it would be selfish on my part to look the other way. There are bodies in the street and people getting paid leave and getting away with murder.

I love this quote. It's honest. And, sadly, this actually happens. And when some of the most prominent African Americans attempt to peacefully draw attention to it, white people go nuts and hyperfocus on "but the anthem!" and "but veterans!"

Seriously, I'm so glad to be a white male. Being anything else must be ****ing exhausting.

IDK man, I'm middle eastern and it's a little frustrating for me because I don't get the same perks African Americans do. When it came to applying for scholarships at Portland State, they said my skin was too white, my GPA was too high, and my parents were too educated for me to get any scholarship. Also when it came for applying for jobs, intel didn't hire me because I was too white and they were looking to hire more minorities.

I've also heard LeBron say how if you got declined an autograph from a black man, people will freak out. But if you got declined an autograph from a white man, you'd be fine with that. Personally, I don't see that. I think a very, very small perentage of people would act like that. I got declined a picture with Robin Lopez at S&S, and I wasn't stoked about it. Really don't stop to think, well, he's Cuban so I should be more frustrated than if it was Collins.

So from my experience, I feel like there is so much more support and focus for African Americans to thrive in society, and it's actually much more difficult for a middle eastern like me to thrive. Not to mention, people look at me a little differently especially when I have my beard grown out (and especially at places like airports). But frankly that doesn't bother me, since pretty much every airplane terrorist is middle eastern. If my people are committing crimes at a higher rate, then it makes sense people will be more nervous around me and airports should search my kind more. I don't be get mad at other people or TSA, I get mad at my middle eastern people for being idiots and evil. On that same note, obviously we aren't all the same. But the precautions and views from society IMO are completely justified. But I'm not going to go complain to everyone and say how people suppress me and judge me.

Anyway pez, walk around as a middle eastern man for a bit, and maybe you won't be so glad to be a white male. Just saying.

+1 excellent well written post.

[Duck24]

IDK man, I'm middle eastern and it's a little frustrating for me because I don't get the same perks African Americans do. When it came to applying for scholarships at Portland State, they said my skin was too white, my GPA was too high, and my parents were too educated for me to get any scholarship. Also when it came for applying for jobs, intel didn't hire me because I was too white and they were looking to hire more minorities.

I've also heard LeBron say how if you got declined an autograph from a black man, people will freak out. But if you got declined an autograph from a white man, you'd be fine with that. Personally, I don't see that. I think a very, very small perentage of people would act like that. I got declined a picture with Robin Lopez at S&S, and I wasn't stoked about it. Really don't stop to think, well, he's Cuban so I should be more frustrated than if it was Collins.

So from my experience, I feel like there is so much more support and focus for African Americans to thrive in society, and it's actually much more difficult for a middle eastern like me to thrive. Not to mention, people look at me a little differently especially when I have my beard grown out (and especially at places like airports). But frankly that doesn't bother me, since pretty much every airplane terrorist is middle eastern. If my people are committing crimes at a higher rate, then it makes sense people will be more nervous around me and airports should search my kind more. I don't be get mad at other people or TSA, I get mad at my middle eastern people for being idiots and evil. On that same note, obviously we aren't all the same. But the precautions and views from society IMO are completely justified. But I'm not going to go complain to everyone and say how people suppress me and judge me.

Anyway pez, walk around as a middle eastern man for a bit, and maybe you won't be so glad to be a white male. Just saying.

Better start searching all school aged white males since they commit a majority of mass school shootings. Better take an extra hard look at all white men prior to being hired on Wall Street since they are the ones who created a worldwide recession. Better put two body cameras on each white cop since they are the ones responsible for most officer involved shootings. Is that how that logic works? That’s an awfully slippery slope there but so long as these changes only impact minorities, people don’t care.