“Trump is trying to start a coup, not have a political debate.”
That is the most important/intelligent statement in this whole thread.
No, because the media says it is, does not make it true. First off, it is always good to wait a couple of weeks before making judgement on any one specific event. Good rule to follow, for all sides.
Trump riled up his hillbilly coalition to cover what he knows is coming. This has gone well beyond political rhetoric and the whataboutisms from either side are at this point. There were criminals there to take out politicians violently from both sides of the aisle including VP Pence on directions from Trump.
If you really think that Trump was in any way responsible for what happened on the 6th then you are living on a very slipper slope. I could blame all acts of anti-semitism on any politician who supports Palenstine's right to have Israel. I could blame Obama on terrorist attacks from Syria - which is a proxy of Iran- because Obama gave funds to Iran which funded their ability to be a proxy for Syria.
In fact, you want to know what is much worse than what Trump ever did in regard to his supposed incitement of the "insurrection", which is a lie. It is this: when politicians knowingly fail to name the group that is committed treason/mayhem/destruction/fires night after night across many cities for political purposes. And when politicians spend more time criticizing the police than they do the 1000+ people who have been arrested since May (this is a number from Portland)! Even worse, when politicians do not hold those people "treasonous" people accountable. It is funny that only now is everyone clamoring for the rioters at the capitol to be "held accountable". Of the 1,000+ people from BLM/Antifa that were arrested since May in Portland, 90% of them have been released WITHOUT charge. Ya, that's right. 90%. Where were the people calling for them to be "held accountable"? Where was the mayor? Governor? Media?
The result: a man was murdererd by a ANTIFA guy that was released WITHOUT charge from a previous riot. Now tell me who has been doing the real incitement?
Insurrection is not a political party argument, it’s flat out treason.
Be consistent. if BLM/Antifa attacks federal courthouse or state/county/local buildings, would you call that an insurrection? Treason? City Hall - across from where I work has been breached two times in the last 4 years. Have you called that treason? This is not a one-off. It has happened dozens of times since BLM/Antifa have gotten a stronghold and platform to spread their "treason".
Senators Cruz and Hawley are opportunists that like Trump represent nothing but self interest. There is a very good chance both get expelled after the transition. Sending out fundraising emails at he same time the capital is being ransacked is even a step too far for others in their own party, along with the rest of their antics. It is very realistic that 2/3 vote of the senate take these two shitbags out.
Expelled? For what? Watch the speech from Hawley in his objection to the certification. The claims he has made are valid. Certain key states had election law changes days/weeks/months before the election took place. These changes would be significant enough to make big differences in swing states. Who were the key actors? Local/county/state officials made autonomous decisions days before election to change certain processes (usually in favor of dems). Some state supreme courts (PA/WI/MI) issued invalid "judicial orders" that changed the election laws weeks leading Election Day. Most of the times these changes were unconstitutional and clearly favored one side. Be careful of the things that you wish for. You want a sitting Senator to be expelled for bringing up legitimate concerns in the manner he is so instructed to do so under the constitution? If that is the case, that will damage our Republic far worse than anything anyone could ever allege (usually falsely) against Trump.
Trump should also be impeached again and hopefully convicted after the fact, removing several post presidential benefits allotted to him. It’s like Willie Sutton having the combination to the bank vault assuring everyone your deposits are safe. Same thing with Trump......the predictable outcome is playing out.
Be careful what you wish for. They tried to impeach because Trump for inquiring about the Biden family to Ukraine. Guess what? Those concerns of his were legitimate.