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Grizzlies - Sonics
Posted: Thu Apr 08, 2021 8:43 pm
by offtheheezy
Grizzlies Send:
Otis Birdsong
Sonics Send:
Alex English
Carl Nicks
Sonics 89/Pacers 89 1st, whichever one Pacers don't get
1990 pick swap (Grizzlies get the better between Grizzlies 1990 1st, and the worser of Sonics 90/Pacers 90 1st.)
Re: Grizzlies - Sonics
Posted: Thu Apr 08, 2021 8:45 pm
by vincent1469
Accept. Why not lol I’m going full-on LA Rams mode at this point.
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Re: Grizzlies - Sonics
Posted: Fri Apr 09, 2021 12:59 am
by Skyhooker
Cool. But I don't see how this helps either team.
Will be interesting to see how it plays out.
Re: Grizzlies - Sonics
Posted: Fri Apr 09, 2021 8:21 am
by lukeyrid13
Skyhooker wrote:Cool. But I don't see how this helps either team.
Will be interesting to see how it plays out.
I think Grizzlies win with the picks/swaps though. Sonics are really leveraged on picks now, and it's looking like Tisdale won't become a top 10-15 scorer to lead them which appeared to be the case a year ago.
Re: Grizzlies - Sonics
Posted: Fri Apr 09, 2021 9:44 am
by lukeyrid13
Also, looks like the Sonics are going to have hardcap concerns next season. They should look to offload someone to help alleviate that.
Re: Grizzlies - Sonics
Posted: Fri Apr 09, 2021 2:58 pm
by Oregon Ownage
offtheheezy wrote:
Sonics 89/Pacers 89 1st, whichever one Pacers don't get - If the swap doesnt convey, then the pacers get the 2nd so what happens in this case?
1990 pick swap (Grizzlies get the better between Grizzlies 1990 1st, and the worse of Sonics 90/Pacers 90 1st.) - Same as above, please clarify
Re: Grizzlies - Sonics
Posted: Fri Apr 09, 2021 2:58 pm
by Oregon Ownage
Done
Re: Grizzlies - Sonics
Posted: Fri Apr 09, 2021 3:01 pm
by offtheheezy
Oregon Ownage wrote:offtheheezy wrote:
Sonics 89/Pacers 89 1st, whichever one Pacers don't get - If the swap doesnt convey, then the pacers get the 2nd so what happens in this case?
1990 pick swap (Grizzlies get the better between Grizzlies 1990 1st, and the worse of Sonics 90/Pacers 90 1st.) - Same as above, please clarify
Yeah so if swap doesn’t convey Grizzlies get Sonics 89. If it does then Grizzlies get Pacers 89.
For 1990, if swap doesn’t convey, Grizzlies have first choice between their pick in 90 and Sonics pick in 90. If it does, then Grizzlies get first choice between their pick in 90 and Pacers pick in 90. If this second swap doesn’t convey (Grizzlies pick is better) nothing happens.
Re: Grizzlies - Sonics
Posted: Fri Apr 09, 2021 3:17 pm
by Oregon Ownage
offtheheezy wrote:
If it does, then Grizzlies get first choice between their pick in 90 and Pacers pick in 90. If this second swap doesn’t convey (Grizzlies pick is better) nothing happens.
This is where im lost. Why do the Pacers lose in this situation? Pacers have 1st dibs on the swap should it convey
Re: Grizzlies - Sonics
Posted: Fri Apr 09, 2021 3:23 pm
by offtheheezy
Oregon Ownage wrote:offtheheezy wrote:
If it does, then Grizzlies get first choice between their pick in 90 and Pacers pick in 90. If this second swap doesn’t convey (Grizzlies pick is better) nothing happens.
This is where im lost. Why do the Pacers lose in this situation? Pacers have 1st dibs on the swap should it convey
Sorry, I think convey is being mixed up here.
Basically Pacers have 1st dibs with the swaps and then my pick and swap are applied to whatever the Sonics have after the Pacers get their 1st dibs
“First choice” as in first choice between Grizzlies pick and whatever the Sonics have after their swaps w Pacers
If we assume "min" means draft #, aka min is a "better" pick
In 89/90, Pacers get min(Pacers, Sonics).
In 89, Grizzlies get max(Pacers, Sonics)
In 90, Grizzlies get min(Grizzlies, max(Pacers, Sonics))
In 90, Sonics get max(Grizzlies, max(Pacers, Sonics))
Hope that helps!
Re: Grizzlies - Sonics
Posted: Wed May 12, 2021 9:31 am
by dennocj
offtheheezy wrote:Oregon Ownage wrote:offtheheezy wrote:
If it does, then Grizzlies get first choice between their pick in 90 and Pacers pick in 90. If this second swap doesn’t convey (Grizzlies pick is better) nothing happens.
This is where im lost. Why do the Pacers lose in this situation? Pacers have 1st dibs on the swap should it convey
Sorry, I think convey is being mixed up here.
Basically Pacers have 1st dibs with the swaps and then my pick and swap are applied to whatever the Sonics have after the Pacers get their 1st dibs
“First choice” as in first choice between Grizzlies pick and whatever the Sonics have after their swaps w Pacers
If we assume "min" means draft #, aka min is a "better" pick
In 89/90, Pacers get min(Pacers, Sonics).
In 89, Grizzlies get max(Pacers, Sonics)
In 90, Grizzlies get min(Grizzlies, max(Pacers, Sonics))
In 90, Sonics get max(Grizzlies, max(Pacers, Sonics))
Hope that helps!
This was the original trade.
Pacers send:
Phil Ford
Sonics send:
1987 Warriors first rounder
1988 Sonics first rounder (Top 7 protected, then 1989 Top 7 protected, then 1990 unprotected)
1987 Blazers second rounder
1987 Warriors second rounder
1988 Sonics second rounder
1989 pick swap (if it doesn’t convey becomes second rounder that year)
1990 pick swap (if it doesn’t convey becomes second rounder that year)
I should have first pick in both 89/90 and then if the 88 first is top 7 then the swaps keep getting pushed back. Unless I'm missing something.
Re: Grizzlies - Sonics
Posted: Wed May 12, 2021 9:34 am
by offtheheezy
dennocj wrote:
This was the original trade.
Pacers send:
Phil Ford
Sonics send:
1987 Warriors first rounder
1988 Sonics first rounder (Top 7 protected, then 1989 Top 7 protected, then 1990 unprotected)
1987 Blazers second rounder
1987 Warriors second rounder
1988 Sonics second rounder
1989 pick swap (if it doesn’t convey becomes second rounder that year)
1990 pick swap (if it doesn’t convey becomes second rounder that year)
I should have first pick in both 89/90 and then if the 88 first is top 7 then the swaps keep getting pushed back. Unless I'm missing something.
Yeah you do! Sorry this is causing confusion. Anything the Sonics and I did with the swaps is after you swap with them first. You have first pick in both 89/90 between your pick and Sonics pick.