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Ducks, Huskies and Beavers?
Posted: Fri Nov 17, 2023 11:11 am
by Alan
I heard on Conzano yesterday with a Duck win tomorrow at ASU the clinch a trip to Vegas? It does not seem that clear to me with the 2 loss Beavers still ahead for us and Washington facing the beavers in Corvallis then the apple cup. How does the math work? Does a win clinch Vegas for us? Have the Huskies clinched? Do they if they beat the Beavs? The Beavs win out are they in? Any help figuring out the scenario? Thanks
Re: Ducks, Huskies and Beavers?
Posted: Fri Nov 17, 2023 11:37 am
by OG Duck
Assuming UO beats ASU and later UW beats WSU...
If OSU beats UW tomorrow, the winner of OSU@UO plays UW in Pac 12 title game.
Edit: holy smokes, I forgot about Arizona. Ignore everything I said. I'm too smooth brained to figure it out what happens if Arizona and OSU both win out.
Re: Ducks, Huskies and Beavers?
Posted: Fri Nov 17, 2023 12:51 pm
by OregonFan4Life
OG Duck wrote:Assuming UO beats ASU and later UW beats WSU...
If OSU beats UW tomorrow, the winner of OSU@UO plays UW in Pac 12 title game.
Edit: holy smokes, I forgot about Arizona. Ignore everything I said. I'm too smooth brained to figure it out what happens if Arizona and OSU both win out.
The PAC-12 championship tie-breaker is weird, if Oregon beats ASU and loses to OSU and if Zona wins out then Zona gets the tie-breaker and has a rematch against the Huskies. The following needs to happen this Sat to ensure a Ducks-Huskies rematch in Vegas:
Ducks beat ASU
Huskies beat Beavs
Utah beats Zona
Since Oregon and Zona hasn’t played there wouldn’t be a head to head tie-breaker, instead the next tie-breaker would be record against Pac-12 teams with higher winning %’s, in this case both would have beaten Huskies and Utah but Zona beat the Beavers while Ducks lost, so Zona would get the tie-breaker. If the PAC-12 was smart, they would’ve made it overall record which is lower in the tie-breaker rules. It Zona wins out and ducks lose to ASU then beat OSU, then I believe Ducks are in since they beat USC and Zona did not (assuming USC beats UCLA this Sat).
I could be wrong but I think that’s how things play out. Ducks just need to win.
Re: Ducks, Huskies and Beavers?
Posted: Fri Nov 17, 2023 9:09 pm
by Everythingsducky
OregonFan4Life wrote:OG Duck wrote:Assuming UO beats ASU and later UW beats WSU...
If OSU beats UW tomorrow, the winner of OSU@UO plays UW in Pac 12 title game.
Edit: holy smokes, I forgot about Arizona. Ignore everything I said. I'm too smooth brained to figure it out what happens if Arizona and OSU both win out.
The PAC-12 championship tie-breaker is weird, if Oregon beats Zona and loses to OSU and if Zona wins out then Zona gets the tie-breaker and has a rematch against the Huskies. The following needs to happen this Sat to ensure a Ducks-Huskies rematch in Vegas:
Ducks beat ASU
Huskies beat Beavs
Utah beats Zona
Since Oregon and Zona hasn’t played there wouldn’t be a head to head tie-breaker, instead the next tie-breaker would be record against Pac-12 teams with higher winning %’s, in this case both would have beaten Huskies and Utah but Zona beat the Beavers while Ducks lost, so Zona would get the tie-breaker. If the PAC-12 was smart, they would’ve made it overall record which is lower in the tie-breaker rules. It Zona wins out and ducks lose to ASU then beat OSU, then I believe Ducks are in since they beat USC and Zona did not (assuming USC beats UCLA this Sat).
I could be wrong but I think that’s how things play out. Ducks just need to win.
What? Oregon doesn’t play Arizona.
Re: Ducks, Huskies and Beavers?
Posted: Sat Nov 18, 2023 12:27 am
by Phalanx
Everythingsducky wrote:
What? Oregon doesn’t play Arizona.
He clearly meant if Oregon beats ASU. Basically, in terms of getting into the Conference Championship game, it doesn't matter if Oregon beats ASU tomorrow and only the Beaver game matters. If Arizona and OSU win tomorrow, the Civil War is going to be a bigger game than it has been in years, and the Beavers will have the power to completely derail Oregon's season. Hope they both lose tomorrow.
Re: Ducks, Huskies and Beavers?
Posted: Sat Nov 18, 2023 7:07 am
by SuperDuck
Here are the top 4 teams in the Pac-12 as of this morning.
UW is in the championship game unless they lose both of their last two games.
Oregon is in if they beat ASU and OSU. But if they lose to OSU, OSU beats UW and Arizona beats Utah and ASU, that would create a 3 way tie for second between Arizona, OSU and Oregon. UA and Oregon didn't play this season. OSU would hold a head-to-head win over Oregon, while UA would hold it over OSU.
If I'm not mistaken, in this scenario, UA would play UW for the championship and the Ducks would drop to 4th in the conference based on tiebreakers.
Please feel free to chime in and point out any mistakes I may have made.
Washington Huskies (5) 7-0
Oregon Ducks (6) 6-1
Oregon State Beavers (11) 5-2
Arizona Wildcats (17) 5-2
Re: Ducks, Huskies and Beavers?
Posted: Sat Nov 18, 2023 1:09 pm
by greenyellow
Arizona really taking it to Utah in the 1st quarter so it doesn't look like Oregon can lock up a Pac-12 CG spot this week.
Re: Ducks, Huskies and Beavers?
Posted: Sat Nov 18, 2023 9:06 pm
by greenyellow
Re: Ducks, Huskies and Beavers?
Posted: Sat Nov 18, 2023 9:33 pm
by OregonFan4Life
Colorado and Utah let us down! Colorado really should’ve beaten Arizona last week and Utah didn’t show up today.
Re: Ducks, Huskies and Beavers?
Posted: Sat Nov 18, 2023 10:54 pm
by greenyellow
OregonFan4Life wrote:Colorado and Utah let us down! Colorado really should’ve beaten Arizona last week and Utah didn’t show up today.
Utah was missing 3 more starters on defense (including the leading sacker Ellis and their S/RB Vaki) so of course they laid an egg.
Re: Ducks, Huskies and Beavers?
Posted: Sat Nov 18, 2023 11:15 pm
by OregonFan4Life
greenyellow wrote:OregonFan4Life wrote:Colorado and Utah let us down! Colorado really should’ve beaten Arizona last week and Utah didn’t show up today.
Utah was missing 3 more starters on defense (including the leading sacker Ellis and their S/RB Vaki) so of course they laid an egg.
That makes sense, wish I was aware of that, then I might have picked Zona, not that it matters at this point.
Re: Ducks, Huskies and Beavers?
Posted: Sun Nov 19, 2023 4:36 am
by nogerO
It all boils down to our Achilles’ heel. Being able to win out in November something we’ve have a hard time doing. Having said that, I fully expect us to beat the beavers and go to Las Vegas and beat Washington and will be in the playoffs. Yippee kye aye!!!
Go DUCKS!!!
Re: Ducks, Huskies and Beavers?
Posted: Sun Nov 19, 2023 7:06 am
by SuperDuck
greenyellow wrote:
I don't see ASU beating UA.
I'm wondering how they own a tiebreaker over us if we both had 2 conference losses? We'd be ranked higher and still have a better overall record. Of course, here'd be no head to head since they didn't play.
Anyone care to explain?
Washington Huskies (5) 8-0 Overall 11-0
Oregon Ducks (6) 7-1 Overall 10-1
Arizona Wildcats (17) 6-2 Overall 8-3
Oregon State Beavers (11) 5-3 Overall 8-3
Re: Ducks, Huskies and Beavers?
Posted: Sun Nov 19, 2023 7:55 am
by Tray Dub
SuperDuck wrote:greenyellow wrote:
I don't see ASU beating UA.
I'm wondering how they own a tiebreaker over us if we both had 2 conference losses? We'd be ranked higher and still have a better overall record. Of course, here'd be no head to head since they didn't play.
Anyone care to explain?
Washington Huskies (5) 8-0 Overall 11-0
Oregon Ducks (6) 7-1 Overall 10-1
Arizona Wildcats (17) 6-2 Overall 8-3
Oregon State Beavers (11) 5-3 Overall 8-3
The tiebreaker without a head-to-head is your record against the rest of the top of the conference, in order. We both lost to UW, next is Oregon State, whom they beat and we'd have lost to.
Re: Ducks, Huskies and Beavers?
Posted: Sun Nov 19, 2023 8:41 am
by SuperDuck
Tray Dub wrote:SuperDuck wrote:greenyellow wrote:
I don't see ASU beating UA.
I'm wondering how they own a tiebreaker over us if we both had 2 conference losses? We'd be ranked higher and still have a better overall record. Of course, here'd be no head to head since they didn't play.
Anyone care to explain?
Washington Huskies (5) 8-0 Overall 11-0
Oregon Ducks (6) 7-1 Overall 10-1
Arizona Wildcats (17) 6-2 Overall 8-3
Oregon State Beavers (11) 5-3 Overall 8-3
The tiebreaker without a head-to-head is your record against the rest of the top of the conference, in order. We both lost to UW, next is Oregon State, whom they beat and we'd have lost to.
I see. Thanks.