Muslim attempted to bomb downtown Portland

[UOducksTK1]

http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory?id=12253987

Scary as hell, I actually knew who he was too. Awful..

[Zyme]

another reason not to live in corvallis.

[ducksrock]

another reason not to live in corvallis.

No comment, other than punishment should not only involve life in prison, but also a piece of strong rope and some private parts....

[brich75]

another reason not to live in corvallis.

No comment, other than punishment should not only involve life in prison, but also a piece of strong rope and some private parts....

He was going to KILL families including little kids.. Whats wrong with this country? We are going to keep this sack of s*** alive in prison and pay for his existence? He should be executed then forgot about!!! Just my humble opinion of course.

[vagusnerve]

did you guys actually read about this?

it was the FBI that dreamed it all up in the first place. they did it to create news.... the american PR machine rolls on... and on... and on....

[Tray Dub]

TK, why exactly do you need to call him a Muslim in the title? He's an extremist terrorist. That's a way better description of him than "Muslim" and by singling that attribute out, you feed the beast of xenophobic hatred that many feel towards Muslims. It would be like, after Timothy McVeigh blew up the OKC federal buildings, calling him a Republican. It doesn't matter. What made him do it wasn't being Muslim, it was being a radical Muslim. Very different. I'm sure you didn't mean anything by it, but it's just so important for people to be careful about their descriptions of Muslims these days.

did you guys actually read about this?

it was the FBI that dreamed it all up in the first place. they did it to create news.... the american PR machine rolls on... and on... and on....

Uh... Did YOU actually read it? It was a sting operation. They didn't dream it up, the kid did.

[dd10snoop28]

TK, why exactly do you need to call him a Muslim in the title? He's an extremist terrorist. That's a way better description of him than "Muslim" and by singling that attribute out, you feed the beast of xenophobic hatred that many feel towards Muslims. It would be like, after Timothy McVeigh blew up the OKC federal buildings, calling him a Republican. It doesn't matter. What made him do it wasn't being Muslim, it was being a radical Muslim. Very different. I'm sure you didn't mean anything by it, but it's just so important for people to be careful about their descriptions of Muslims these days.

did you guys actually read about this?

it was the FBI that dreamed it all up in the first place. they did it to create news.... the american PR machine rolls on... and on... and on....

Uh... Did YOU actually read it? It was a sting operation. They didn't dream it up, the kid did.

Unfortunately, it's because of his religion that he performed this act.

I have family/friends that are Muslim and they acknowledge that their book(Koran) does promote violence to non-muslims. My family tries to ignore this part of the Quran, but do we call people that follow their religion "radical"? The "radicals" are the ones that are actually carrying out what the Quran says to do. On the other hand "normal Muslim's"(like my family), either don't know what the Quran says or they try to ignore it.

I don't know. A "Muslim" is someone who follows the Quran. An extremist is someone just following what their book says.

Like I said, I know a lot of people that try to ignore parts of their religion. Are these really "Muslims"?

Sorry if I offend anybody, but this is just what I think being around close family that are Muslim. I love my family to death. It's not a problem with them I have, I just think there are some things in their religion that can improve.

[Tray Dub]

TK, why exactly do you need to call him a Muslim in the title? He's an extremist terrorist. That's a way better description of him than "Muslim" and by singling that attribute out, you feed the beast of xenophobic hatred that many feel towards Muslims. It would be like, after Timothy McVeigh blew up the OKC federal buildings, calling him a Republican. It doesn't matter. What made him do it wasn't being Muslim, it was being a radical Muslim. Very different. I'm sure you didn't mean anything by it, but it's just so important for people to be careful about their descriptions of Muslims these days.

did you guys actually read about this?

it was the FBI that dreamed it all up in the first place. they did it to create news.... the american PR machine rolls on... and on... and on....

Uh... Did YOU actually read it? It was a sting operation. They didn't dream it up, the kid did.

Unfortunately, it's because of his religion that he performed this act.

I have family/friends that are Muslim and they acknowledge that their book(Koran) does promote violence to non-muslims. My family tries to ignore this part of the Quran, but do we call people that follow their religion "radical"? The "radicals" are the ones that are actually carrying out what the Quran says to do. On the other hand "normal Muslim's"(like my family), either don't know what the Quran says or they try to ignore it.

I don't know. A "Muslim" is someone who follows the Quran. An extremist is someone just following what their book says.

Like I said, I know a lot of people that try to ignore parts of their religion. Are these really "Muslims"?

Sorry if I offend anybody, but this is just what I think being around close family that are Muslim. I love my family to death. It's not a problem with them I have, I just think there are some things in their religion that can improve.

It sounds like your family members haven't spent much time on their religion. The Quran does not promote wanton violence toward infidels. I haven't read all of it, but the preponderance of serious religious scholars agree with that. The overarching message of the Quran is completely antithetical to what terrorism stands for. If you want to post any verses of the Quran to back you up, I'll look at them, but here's just a couple for you to look at:

"But if the enemy inclines towards peace, you (also) incline towards peace, and trust in Allah" [Quran 9:61]

"Let there be no hostility except to those who practice oppression." [Quran 2:193]

"Fight in the cause of God against those who fight you, but do not transgress limits. God does not love transgressors." [Quran 2:190]

[UOducksTK1]

TK, why exactly do you need to call him a Muslim in the title? He's an extremist terrorist. That's a way better description of him than "Muslim" and by singling that attribute out, you feed the beast of xenophobic hatred that many feel towards Muslims. It would be like, after Timothy McVeigh blew up the OKC federal buildings, calling him a Republican. It doesn't matter. What made him do it wasn't being Muslim, it was being a radical Muslim. Very different. I'm sure you didn't mean anything by it, but it's just so important for people to be careful about their descriptions of Muslims these days.

did you guys actually read about this?

it was the FBI that dreamed it all up in the first place. they did it to create news.... the american PR machine rolls on... and on... and on....

Uh... Did YOU actually read it? It was a sting operation. They didn't dream it up, the kid did.

Because I know him, he was a Muslim extremist. And as he detonated the explosive, he said "allah akbar". Obviously he did this because of his religious beliefs. Why should a fact like this be thrown under the carpet?

Half my family is Muslim, so I'm pretty sure I know most Muslims are not dangerous people. I love my family, and I trust them more than anyone else. But at the same time, most terrorists are Muslims, and it bothers me when the media or liberals try to hide this fact to act as if it could have been anyone. And NO that is not the case. Extremist Muslims are very dangerous.

[UOducksTK1]

another reason not to live in corvallis.

No comment, other than punishment should not only involve life in prison, but also a piece of strong rope and some private parts....

He was going to KILL families including little kids.. Whats wrong with this country? We are going to keep this sack of s*** alive in prison and pay for his existence? He should be executed then forgot about!!! Just my humble opinion of course.

Amen. Honestly, when it hits so close to home, it brings everything into perspective. I had family and friends at pioneer square, I was shocked/scared. and I knew Moe, I can't believe he did this. I really cannot. He should be put to death though.

[UOducksTK1]

TK, why exactly do you need to call him a Muslim in the title? He's an extremist terrorist. That's a way better description of him than "Muslim" and by singling that attribute out, you feed the beast of xenophobic hatred that many feel towards Muslims. It would be like, after Timothy McVeigh blew up the OKC federal buildings, calling him a Republican. It doesn't matter. What made him do it wasn't being Muslim, it was being a radical Muslim. Very different. I'm sure you didn't mean anything by it, but it's just so important for people to be careful about their descriptions of Muslims these days.

did you guys actually read about this?

it was the FBI that dreamed it all up in the first place. they did it to create news.... the american PR machine rolls on... and on... and on....

Uh... Did YOU actually read it? It was a sting operation. They didn't dream it up, the kid did.

Unfortunately, it's because of his religion that he performed this act.

I have family/friends that are Muslim and they acknowledge that their book(Koran) does promote violence to non-muslims. My family tries to ignore this part of the Quran, but do we call people that follow their religion "radical"? The "radicals" are the ones that are actually carrying out what the Quran says to do. On the other hand "normal Muslim's"(like my family), either don't know what the Quran says or they try to ignore it.

I don't know. A "Muslim" is someone who follows the Quran. An extremist is someone just following what their book says.

Like I said, I know a lot of people that try to ignore parts of their religion. Are these really "Muslims"?

Sorry if I offend anybody, but this is just what I think being around close family that are Muslim. I love my family to death. It's not a problem with them I have, I just think there are some things in their religion that can improve.

It sounds like your family members haven't spent much time on their religion. The Quran does not promote wanton violence toward infidels. I haven't read all of it, but the preponderance of serious religious scholars agree with that. The overarching message of the Quran is completely antithetical to what terrorism stands for. If you want to post any verses of the Quran to back you up, I'll look at them, but here's just a couple for you to look at:

"But if the enemy inclines towards peace, you (also) incline towards peace, and trust in Allah" [Quran 9:61]

"Let there be no hostility except to those who practice oppression." [Quran 2:193]

"Fight in the cause of God against those who fight you, but do not transgress limits. God does not love transgressors." [Quran 2:190]

Are you serious? Highly ignorant.

Those who marry unbelievers will burn in the Fire. "Wed not idolatresses till they believe; for lo! a believing bondwoman is better than an idolatress though she please you; and give not your daughters in marriage to idolaters till they believe, for lo! a believing slave is better than an idolater though he please you. These invite unto the Fire."

"those who disbelieve the revelations of Allah, and slay the prophets wrongfully, and slay those of mankind who enjoin equity: promise them a painful doom.?

"So those who fled and were driven forth from their homes and suffered damage for My cause, and fought and were slain, verily I shall remit their evil deeds from them and verily I shall bring them into Gardens underneath which rivers flow." Looks like many Muslims take this one extremely literally.

Have no unbelieving friends. Kill the unbelievers wherever you find them. "So choose not friends from them till they forsake their homes in the way of Allah; if they turn back then take them and kill them wherever ye find them, and choose no friend nor helper from among them," Does it get anymore clear?

Tell me which ones are from the Quran and which ones are not...
1. "And one who attacketh you, attack him in like manner as he attacked you"
2. "If that person sins against you seven times in a day, and seven times comes back to you and says, 'I repent,' forgive him."
3. "If they attack you then slay them. Such is the reward of disbelievers."
4. "If someone strikes you on one cheek, turn to him the other also. If someone takes your cloak, do not stop him from taking your tunic."

[Tray Dub]

TK, why exactly do you need to call him a Muslim in the title? He's an extremist terrorist. That's a way better description of him than "Muslim" and by singling that attribute out, you feed the beast of xenophobic hatred that many feel towards Muslims. It would be like, after Timothy McVeigh blew up the OKC federal buildings, calling him a Republican. It doesn't matter. What made him do it wasn't being Muslim, it was being a radical Muslim. Very different. I'm sure you didn't mean anything by it, but it's just so important for people to be careful about their descriptions of Muslims these days.

did you guys actually read about this?

it was the FBI that dreamed it all up in the first place. they did it to create news.... the american PR machine rolls on... and on... and on....

Uh... Did YOU actually read it? It was a sting operation. They didn't dream it up, the kid did.

Unfortunately, it's because of his religion that he performed this act.

I have family/friends that are Muslim and they acknowledge that their book(Koran) does promote violence to non-muslims. My family tries to ignore this part of the Quran, but do we call people that follow their religion "radical"? The "radicals" are the ones that are actually carrying out what the Quran says to do. On the other hand "normal Muslim's"(like my family), either don't know what the Quran says or they try to ignore it.

I don't know. A "Muslim" is someone who follows the Quran. An extremist is someone just following what their book says.

Like I said, I know a lot of people that try to ignore parts of their religion. Are these really "Muslims"?

Sorry if I offend anybody, but this is just what I think being around close family that are Muslim. I love my family to death. It's not a problem with them I have, I just think there are some things in their religion that can improve.

It sounds like your family members haven't spent much time on their religion. The Quran does not promote wanton violence toward infidels. I haven't read all of it, but the preponderance of serious religious scholars agree with that. The overarching message of the Quran is completely antithetical to what terrorism stands for. If you want to post any verses of the Quran to back you up, I'll look at them, but here's just a couple for you to look at:

"But if the enemy inclines towards peace, you (also) incline towards peace, and trust in Allah" [Quran 9:61]

"Let there be no hostility except to those who practice oppression." [Quran 2:193]

"Fight in the cause of God against those who fight you, but do not transgress limits. God does not love transgressors." [Quran 2:190]

Are you serious? Highly ignorant.

Those who marry unbelievers will burn in the Fire. "Wed not idolatresses till they believe; for lo! a believing bondwoman is better than an idolatress though she please you; and give not your daughters in marriage to idolaters till they believe, for lo! a believing slave is better than an idolater though he please you. These invite unto the Fire."

"those who disbelieve the revelations of Allah, and slay the prophets wrongfully, and slay those of mankind who enjoin equity: promise them a painful doom.?

"So those who fled and were driven forth from their homes and suffered damage for My cause, and fought and were slain, verily I shall remit their evil deeds from them and verily I shall bring them into Gardens underneath which rivers flow." Looks like many Muslims take this one extremely literally.

Have no unbelieving friends. Kill the unbelievers wherever you find them. "So choose not friends from them till they forsake their homes in the way of Allah; if they turn back then take them and kill them wherever ye find them, and choose no friend nor helper from among them," Does it get anymore clear?

Tell me which ones are from the Quran and which ones are not...
1. "And one who attacketh you, attack him in like manner as he attacked you"
2. "If that person sins against you seven times in a day, and seven times comes back to you and says, 'I repent,' forgive him."
3. "If they attack you then slay them. Such is the reward of disbelievers."
4. "If someone strikes you on one cheek, turn to him the other also. If someone takes your cloak, do not stop him from taking your tunic."

I'm highly ignorant? Give me a break. You seem to have absolutely no clue what you're talking about. Let's go through your quotes one by one.

The first one says that people who marry infidels will go to hell. There is an exception made for Muslim men to marry devout Christian or Jewish women, but still... This quote doesn't prove s*** about violence TK. The fire it speaks of is hell. Not an explosion.

The second one justifies self-defense. It says for those who slay mankind, promise them a painful doom. I'd promise anyone a painful doom for slaying mankind too. As, apparently, would you, because you're all for executing this sack of s***.

The third one... What exactly is your problem? It means those who fight for Islam shall be rewarded with heaven. But Allah does not condone terrorist acts as can be seen in other parts of the Quran, so those don't constitute fighting for Islam.

And the fourth one is the most often cited by xenophobes like you apparently are, and it's used COMPLETELY out of context. It was written in context of attacks on Muslims, and it was a command to Muslims to defend themselves, and only against those who rejected Muslims' offers of peace. It was a rallying cry to defend themselves and their country. It was NOT an order to kill all non-believers. If you read the context of the statement, you'll see what I'm talking about. But, of course, it's way easier not to research your statements, right?

As for your little quiz, 1 and 3 are Quran, 2 and 4 are from the Bible. Sweet man, your religion is so much better than theirs! Too bad 1 and 3 only justify self-defense, not terrorism. Also, if you want to get into all the appalling stuff in the Bible... It's a conversation for a different thread, but you've got your fair share of statements that make blanch. That being said, Christianity has a generally positive message. As does Islam.


Now try explaining these:

6:151 Take not life, which God hath made sacred, except by way of justice and law: thus does He command you, that ye may learn wisdom.

17:33 Nor take life, which God has made sacred, except for just cause.

[Tray Dub]

TK, why exactly do you need to call him a Muslim in the title? He's an extremist terrorist. That's a way better description of him than "Muslim" and by singling that attribute out, you feed the beast of xenophobic hatred that many feel towards Muslims. It would be like, after Timothy McVeigh blew up the OKC federal buildings, calling him a Republican. It doesn't matter. What made him do it wasn't being Muslim, it was being a radical Muslim. Very different. I'm sure you didn't mean anything by it, but it's just so important for people to be careful about their descriptions of Muslims these days.

did you guys actually read about this?

it was the FBI that dreamed it all up in the first place. they did it to create news.... the american PR machine rolls on... and on... and on....

Uh... Did YOU actually read it? It was a sting operation. They didn't dream it up, the kid did.

Because I know him, he was a Muslim extremist. And as he detonated the explosive, he said "allah akbar". Obviously he did this because of his religious beliefs. Why should a fact like this be thrown under the carpet?

Half my family is Muslim, so I'm pretty sure I know most Muslims are not dangerous people. I love my family, and I trust them more than anyone else. But at the same time, most terrorists are Muslims, and it bothers me when the media or liberals try to hide this fact to act as if it could have been anyone. And NO that is not the case. Extremist Muslims are very dangerous.

Yeah, I know he's a Muslim. He's also a Somalian, a 19 year old, and a black kid. Why didn't you describe him as any of those in your title? Because you think it's his religion that's at fault. Wrong. It was his extremism. My example of McVeigh is a good one. It wasn't being Republican that caused the bombing. It was his extremism. You wouldn't have said the next day, "Republican blows up OKC buildings."

[dd10snoop28]

TK, why exactly do you need to call him a Muslim in the title? He's an extremist terrorist. That's a way better description of him than "Muslim" and by singling that attribute out, you feed the beast of xenophobic hatred that many feel towards Muslims. It would be like, after Timothy McVeigh blew up the OKC federal buildings, calling him a Republican. It doesn't matter. What made him do it wasn't being Muslim, it was being a radical Muslim. Very different. I'm sure you didn't mean anything by it, but it's just so important for people to be careful about their descriptions of Muslims these days.

did you guys actually read about this?

it was the FBI that dreamed it all up in the first place. they did it to create news.... the american PR machine rolls on... and on... and on....

Uh... Did YOU actually read it? It was a sting operation. They didn't dream it up, the kid did.

Unfortunately, it's because of his religion that he performed this act.

I have family/friends that are Muslim and they acknowledge that their book(Koran) does promote violence to non-muslims. My family tries to ignore this part of the Quran, but do we call people that follow their religion "radical"? The "radicals" are the ones that are actually carrying out what the Quran says to do. On the other hand "normal Muslim's"(like my family), either don't know what the Quran says or they try to ignore it.

I don't know. A "Muslim" is someone who follows the Quran. An extremist is someone just following what their book says.

Like I said, I know a lot of people that try to ignore parts of their religion. Are these really "Muslims"?

Sorry if I offend anybody, but this is just what I think being around close family that are Muslim. I love my family to death. It's not a problem with them I have, I just think there are some things in their religion that can improve.

It sounds like your family members haven't spent much time on their religion. The Quran does not promote wanton violence toward infidels. I haven't read all of it, but the preponderance of serious religious scholars agree with that. The overarching message of the Quran is completely antithetical to what terrorism stands for. If you want to post any verses of the Quran to back you up, I'll look at them, but here's just a couple for you to look at:

"But if the enemy inclines towards peace, you (also) incline towards peace, and trust in Allah" [Quran 9:61]

"Let there be no hostility except to those who practice oppression." [Quran 2:193]

"Fight in the cause of God against those who fight you, but do not transgress limits. God does not love transgressors." [Quran 2:190]

There are about 100 verses on the Quran that promote violence. I'll go into depth a little later in the week, but the thing I found most important about Islam is that in the Quran there is only one prophet in which they can observe to live their life like.

Mohammed is that prophet, but his life is filled with lustfulness(12 marriages and sex with a child, slaves and concubines), rapes, warfare, conquests, and unmerciful butcheries.

It seems like the extremists are just trying to do what the Quran is trying to teach them:
"I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them".

When a Muslim does a thing like this how can you call him an "extremist" when he's doing as he's told?

Again, I'll delve into this a little deeper later on, but I'm a little short on time today.

I think there is a difference between your argument about the Republican OKC bombing and this incident.
1- The republican party does not promote violence to those who do not believe and if they do perform evil actions(OKC), it's in totally opposition to that party.
2- But when Muslims commit such acts, they can in fact claim that they are following the example of their prophet and thus fulfilling the will of God and promoting His cause. Big difference!

You may not agree that Islam promotes violence, but I suggest you read the Quran and it should open your eyes a little bit more. I'll show some stuff later on that proves my point.

I respect your opinions either way, TrayDub.

[UOducksTK1]

TK, why exactly do you need to call him a Muslim in the title? He's an extremist terrorist. That's a way better description of him than "Muslim" and by singling that attribute out, you feed the beast of xenophobic hatred that many feel towards Muslims. It would be like, after Timothy McVeigh blew up the OKC federal buildings, calling him a Republican. It doesn't matter. What made him do it wasn't being Muslim, it was being a radical Muslim. Very different. I'm sure you didn't mean anything by it, but it's just so important for people to be careful about their descriptions of Muslims these days.

did you guys actually read about this?

it was the FBI that dreamed it all up in the first place. they did it to create news.... the american PR machine rolls on... and on... and on....

Uh... Did YOU actually read it? It was a sting operation. They didn't dream it up, the kid did.

Because I know him, he was a Muslim extremist. And as he detonated the explosive, he said "allah akbar". Obviously he did this because of his religious beliefs. Why should a fact like this be thrown under the carpet?

Half my family is Muslim, so I'm pretty sure I know most Muslims are not dangerous people. I love my family, and I trust them more than anyone else. But at the same time, most terrorists are Muslims, and it bothers me when the media or liberals try to hide this fact to act as if it could have been anyone. And NO that is not the case. Extremist Muslims are very dangerous.

Yeah, I know he's a Muslim. He's also a Somalian, a 19 year old, and a black kid. Why didn't you describe him as any of those in your title? Because you think it's his religion that's at fault. Wrong. It was his extremism. My example of McVeigh is a good one. It wasn't being Republican that caused the bombing. It was his extremism. You wouldn't have said the next day, "Republican blows up OKC buildings."

Because it isn't because someone is black that they commit terrorist attacks. It's not because he's a teenager that he commits terrorist acts. It's because he's an Islamic extremist that he did these attacks. Had he not been involved in the religion, I guarantee this would have never happened.

Haha wow, McVeigh was trained by Al-Qaeda
http://intelwire.egoplex.com/nichols022004.html#s3

Now tell me what almost all of these terrorists have in common (that's right their religion):
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_te ... .93present

Your politically correct agenda has clearly closed your eyes to the truth.
"Fight and slay the pagans [Christians] wherever ye find them and seize them, confine them, and lie in wait for them in every place of ambush."
"Fight against those who disbelieve in Allah. Make a holy war."
"Wherever you find infidels kill them; for whoever kills them shall have reward on the Day of Resurrection."
"I have been ordered by Allah to fight with people till they bear testimony to the fact that there is no God but Allah."

When the Islamic fanatics are asked why they have done these terrorist attacks, their answer is almost always because of their religion/beliefs. And if that's too much for you to understand, then why continue this conversation? You clearly are stuck in your fallacies..