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[dd10snoop28]

Again, it's not old news. The ICA report was a significant part of the entire collusion hoax that had enormous ramifications. Nobody knew until last week what the contents of the ICA reports were. Most people assumed that it was solid intelligence. The media and former intelligence/obama officials were able to hide behind the contents of the iCA report for YEARS, especially once the Steele dossier was exposed.

Yes, if no one goes to jail, then this is all for naught. Pam Bondi the most important prosecution decisions in American history. I don't think she's up for the task personally, but we shall see.

Also, do you know why McCain was peddling around the Steele dossier? There are two prongs to the whole collusion hoax. One was to get HRC elected, and the other was to kneecap the DJT's administration so much that they would be ineffective. And the main part of kneecapping the administration was over Russia/Ukraine. McCain and all of the establishment hacks saw the Steele dossier as an opportunity to prevent Trump from having diplomatic relations with Russia and to further inflame the conflict between Ukraine/Russia. Remember the joint meeting between Trump/Putin in 2017 (or 2018) in Helsinki where a media member asked about the ICA report and whether Trump thought that Putin fudged the election to get him (Trump elected). Trump's response was that he didn't trust America's intelligence on the matter, and that he trusted that Putin hadn't interfered in the election....even I thought this was a weird response at the time, but in retrospect it makes sense.

Additionally, does anybody remember the next hoax that was pursued less than a month after Mueller's investigation revealed no collusion? There is no coincidence in this matter.

Also, what Gabbard did is significant for the public's consumption because 50% of the country still believes that the Russian hoax actually happened, and they would reference the "intelligence officials" that confirmed that this was the case the past 8 years. So when one of the highest ranking intel officials of the DNI of the US comes out and confirms that it was all a hoax perpetrated by Obama and his cronies, that is extremely helpful in exposing the truth.

[dd10snoop28]

Meanwhile the Gaza Holocaust continues...

Really? Talk about deflection.

Yes mentioning our support for a Holocaust is a deflection but a decade old story that is being released with minor updated details after the blowback from not disclosing relevant Epstein information isn't a deflection.

What could be more important than Obama gate vs a Holocaust and the sheer number of dead children. How childish are you all really?

I blocked ddsnoop or whatever his name is, but follow the parts you've quoted.

Sincere question - do you think the unwavering support of a politician who is clearly lying and corrupt by the two people you're debating is a signal of their lack of morals, a lack of intelligence, sheer stubbornness because they think there's something wrong with being wrong, or maybe a fourth bucket I haven't considered? Because about 30% of the country has unending support for Trump, regardless of what he does, I think about this question often.

This is called projection.

[dd10snoop28]

Additionally, everyone that hid the underlying corruption in their "investigations" needs to be held to account. These investigations have become nothing more than a way of stalling out the release of public information for years and then hiding the most insidious conduct of individuals they are investigating.

Durham, Horowitz, and Mueller all lied via concealment.

I think Barr actually demonstrated an intent to get to the underlying corruption, but failed by appointing Durham who never had intent in discovering the truth and making it public.

[Phalanx]

I think Barr actually demonstrated an intent to get to the underlying corruption, but failed by appointing Durham who never had intent in discovering the truth and making it public.

You are kidding yourself. Barr is the chief water-carrier for the state and he never had any intention of revealing anything that might compromise his beloved intelligence community. His job was to look serious and sympathetic and then deflect and delay until Trump was out of office. You are also mistaken if you think the half of the country who ignored this the first time through is going to be persuaded by Tulsi Gabbard. Our representative lefty in this thread is a great example: instead of entertaining anything resembling the truth, he blocks the author of the thread he is commenting in. Of course, this is the guy who thinks the WNBA owners should mortgage their franchises in order to give the players a huge raise, so not exactly the most objective mind to begin with.

[Duck07]

Sincere question - do you think the unwavering support of a politician who is clearly lying and corrupt by the two people you're debating is a signal of their lack of morals, a lack of intelligence, sheer stubbornness because they think there's something wrong with being wrong, or maybe a fourth bucket I haven't considered? Because about 30% of the country has unending support for Trump, regardless of what he does, I think about this question often.

There's a scene in the movie "Don't Look Up" where Jennifer Lawerence's character goes back to her parents house and they shut her out saying "Your Dad and I are for the jobs the comet will provide" and I think that kind of explains it. I've kind of felt like we're in a period of Cult of Personality politics and everything is now akin to Jr High insults rather than real adult conversations with each side blaming the other for why they act like jackasses because that's far easier than taking the time to understand something and then act with a shred of integrity (because of how conflicted all of them are just to get to those positions). "Oh look, see how its just the OTHER side doing this, ignore us doing those same things." There's an almost equal amount of idiots who are also like "Obama's only scandal was wearing a tan suit" and in this instance, you've got to give credit to each of them for the way they marketed and sold themselves to their base so that they removed any critical thinking and made it all about personality.

[dd10snoop28]

What are you two even saying? Anybody who disagrees with your point of view means that they are in a "cult of personality"? You have propped up a straw man to make yourself feel better.

Wasn't it Duck07 himself who was just making comments about Trump being a pervert in the previous page? This seems like someone focused on a person rather than principals and values.

I also recall a video that Duck07 forwarded from the Sachs guy which spent 15 minutes mocking Trump for his alleged lack of knowledge of economics rather than the substance of his policy position. Sounds like someone focused on a person rather than principals.

You are what you accuse others of.

[dd10snoop28]

I think Barr actually demonstrated an intent to get to the underlying corruption, but failed by appointing Durham who never had intent in discovering the truth and making it public.

You are kidding yourself. Barr is the chief water-carrier for the state and he never had any intention of revealing anything that might compromise his beloved intelligence community. His job was to look serious and sympathetic and then deflect and delay until Trump was out of office. You are also mistaken if you think the half of the country who ignored this the first time through is going to be persuaded by Tulsi Gabbard. Our representative lefty in this thread is a great example: instead of entertaining anything resembling the truth, he blocks the author of the thread he is commenting in. Of course, this is the guy who thinks the WNBA owners should mortgage their franchises in order to give the players a huge raise, so not exactly the most objective mind to begin with.

I'm open to being convinced that Barr was as you say, but his written directive to Durham on what to look for was well-stated. It's just that Durham only did 1 out of the 3 things that Barr asked him to look at.

[Duck07]

[Phalanx]

I'm open to being convinced that Barr was as you say, but his written directive to Durham on what to look for was well-stated. It's just that Durham only did 1 out of the 3 things that Barr asked him to look at.

Well, if the results of his work - or lack thereof - don't convince you, I'm not sure what will. He delayed for over 18 months after saying there was spying and then resigned in mid-December with another month still to go in Trump's term. When you follow politics long enough, you start to recognize the 'refer it to committee' bureaucratic routine for anything they don't want to deal with. The fact that they didn't find anything in almost 2 years and Tulsi is releasing all this stuff in the first 6 months should tell you all you need to know.

[dd10snoop28]

Ya good points.

[pezsez1]

There is a dizzying amount of misinformation flying around in this thread. All I'll say is I'm both astounded and impressed that republicans have managed to maintain their framing of the Russia investigation for as long as they have.

The 2017 intel assessment in question was right about almost everything. And because of that, this entire "Obama is a traitor" Epstein deflection is based upon an alternate reality in which Obama's administration tried to convince Americans that Putin was trying to change votes -- which isn't what happened.

Much of what was in the 2017 intel assessment (as well as the Mueller report) was focused on Russia's verified and genuine misinformation campaigns aimed at turning Americans against each other while tipping the scales toward Donald Trump. It didn't matter that Putin thought Trump would lose. (Almost everyone thought Trump would lose.) What mattered was his intent, and he had a clear favorite. (It wasn't Hillary.)

People can bitch and moan about the intel community not being willing to approve of every single thing that went into the final report, but Obama had a responsibility as president to inform the public of Russia's actions to influence the election. He didn't feel Trump would have handled that appropriately, and I believe time has shown that Obama's concerns were extremely well placed. Trump has bent over backward to bury all signs of Russia's interference and to discredit substantiated findings (such as those in the Mueller Report) at every available opportunity. Trump's fans love to blame the Democratic Party and "the deep state" for running out the clock on Trump's first term, but nobody got in his own way more than himself. Firing Comey, trying to extort Zelensky, refusing to work with Congressional investigators even while claiming everything was a hoax... Trump's aggressiveness is his strength, but when combined with his pride and stupidity it's also an exploitable weakness, one he's been incredibly slow to correct.

Anyway, rather than read through the inevitable wall of bullet point "yeah, buts" I'm going back to the football forum. Have fun! I'll keep an eye out for the unity posts on releasing all the Epstein files. We should all be in agreement that it's past time we know how everyone was involved with that. (And I'm sure all of us will be furious if Trump pardons Maxwell so she can no longer be used to implicate anyone!)

[dd10snoop28]

LOL. Post of the year.

I'd have a field day tearing up every single point in that post but why cast pearl to swine?

I legit had a good laugh over this post.

And I am actually in awe that someone could devote so much effort to being so wrong in almost every single sentence.

Lastly, based on the Post of the Year, there is approximately a ZERO percent chance that you have actually devoted any amount of time to read any of the reports that you - or anyone else in this thread - have referenced. If you did, you would have at least got a few things corect.

[pezsez1]

The Post of the Century was the one a page or two back that claimed Obama was the ultimate evil and nobody fully understood just how evil he was!

Thankful that football is coming.

[Duck07]

Thankful that football is coming.

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[pezsez1]

OMG why???