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dthomas=ddixon wrote:You don't have to agree with me but I remem ber him saying "Chris is one of the best players with the ball in his hands that I have EVER seen". He didn't say he was the best ever but one of the best ever. I don't think that is "rediculous & outlandish".

Hey, no sweat off my back if you want to believe that. If you want my opinion, this is just a case of your memory being a bit faulty. I believe your confusion involves leaving out a few key words when recalling what was said, which changes the meaning of a statement a great deal. You can't provide the quote, so I'm not sure why you find it so hard to acknowledge you might be mistaken, especially when I have provided you with the actual direct quotes in print.

VinnyKnuckles wrote:

brich75 wrote:If I could show you a direct quote of Mike Bellotti saying, Chris Harper is the best athlete he has ever seen with the ball in his hands.Would you still call it ridiculous and outlandish?

That is a pretty silly question considering he never said any such thing. Since we are throwing wild hypotheticals out there, would you call it ridiculous and outlandish if I showed you a direct quote by Nick Aliotti indicating that Simi Toeaina is the best defensive lineman he has ever seen?

This is the equivalent of somebody claiming Nate McMillan said Greg Oden is the greatest post player he has ever seen with the ball in his hands. Yeah, ridiculous and outlandish is an accurate way to describe it. Upon further examination, it turns out Nate actually said that Oden might be the best post player on the team with the ball in his hands. Quite a difference between those two statements.

No disrespect to Harper, but he isn't even in the discussion of the best players I have ever seen with the ball in their hands. If that was anything less than laughable, I think his high school stats against relatively mediocre competition in Kansas would have been a bit more mind-blowing than they were. Given Bellotti's age and profession, it is safe to say he has seen many more players in his life than I have, in person, on opposing teams, on film, on TV, etc. Trust me, Harper isn't the best athlete with the ball in his hands that he has ever seen and he never claimed he was.

well thats great because it was meant to be "silly" as you put it. By the way if you showed me a quote by nick aliotti saying simi toeaina is the best defensive lineman he has ever seen. I would not say it is ridiculous and outlandish because 1. I dont say words like OUTLANDISH and 2.if Nick aliotti said that that I would assume he was the best d lineman he has ever seen.Oh and I guess i will just have to trust you that harper isnt the best bellotti has ever seen cause you say so.

VinnyKnuckles wrote:

dthomas=ddixon wrote:You don't have to agree with me but I remem ber him saying "Chris is one of the best players with the ball in his hands that I have EVER seen". He didn't say he was the best ever but one of the best ever. I don't think that is "rediculous & outlandish".

Hey, no sweat off my back if you want to believe that. If you want my opinion, this is just a case of your memory being a bit faulty. I believe your confusion involves leaving out a few key words when recalling what was said, which changes the meaning of a statement a great deal. You can't provide the quote, so I'm not sure why you find it so hard to acknowledge you might be mistaken, especially when I have provided you with the actual direct quotes in print.

MB addressed it more than once & there are multiple quotes out their. Congrats on being the only one do dig up ONE of the quotes so you could prove us all wrong. Honestly, who cares? I know what I heard & read, it still doesn't change Harper's ability.

dthomas=ddixon wrote:

VinnyKnuckles wrote:

dthomas=ddixon wrote:You don't have to agree with me but I remem ber him saying "Chris is one of the best players with the ball in his hands that I have EVER seen". He didn't say he was the best ever but one of the best ever. I don't think that is "rediculous & outlandish".

Hey, no sweat off my back if you want to believe that. If you want my opinion, this is just a case of your memory being a bit faulty. I believe your confusion involves leaving out a few key words when recalling what was said, which changes the meaning of a statement a great deal. You can't provide the quote, so I'm not sure why you find it so hard to acknowledge you might be mistaken, especially when I have provided you with the actual direct quotes in print.

MB addressed it more than once & there are multiple quotes out their. Congrats on being the only one do dig up ONE of the quotes so you could prove us all wrong. Honestly, who cares? I know what I heard & read, it still doesn't change Harper's ability.

THIS HAS TO BE MY MOTHER IN LAW!! MAKE A BIG DEAL OUT OF NOTHING AND TRYING TO KILL A TIME.WHO CARES IF HE SAID IT OR NOT I THINK IT WAS PRETTY OBVIOUS THE GUY WHO POSTED IT IS JUST STOKED ABOUT THE POTENTIAL OF HARPER WHATS THE BIG DEAL!! WE ARE NOT IN THE COURT OF LAW! ARENT WE ALL DUCK FANS

brich75 wrote:

VinnyKnuckles wrote:

brich75 wrote:If I could show you a direct quote of Mike Bellotti saying, Chris Harper is the best athlete he has ever seen with the ball in his hands.Would you still call it ridiculous and outlandish?

That is a pretty silly question considering he never said any such thing. Since we are throwing wild hypotheticals out there, would you call it ridiculous and outlandish if I showed you a direct quote by Nick Aliotti indicating that Simi Toeaina is the best defensive lineman he has ever seen?

This is the equivalent of somebody claiming Nate McMillan said Greg Oden is the greatest post player he has ever seen with the ball in his hands. Yeah, ridiculous and outlandish is an accurate way to describe it. Upon further examination, it turns out Nate actually said that Oden might be the best post player on the team with the ball in his hands. Quite a difference between those two statements.

No disrespect to Harper, but he isn't even in the discussion of the best players I have ever seen with the ball in their hands. If that was anything less than laughable, I think his high school stats against relatively mediocre competition in Kansas would have been a bit more mind-blowing than they were. Given Bellotti's age and profession, it is safe to say he has seen many more players in his life than I have, in person, on opposing teams, on film, on TV, etc. Trust me, Harper isn't the best athlete with the ball in his hands that he has ever seen and he never claimed he was.

well thats great because it was meant to be "silly" as you put it. By the way if you showed me a quote by nick aliotti saying simi toeaina is the best defensive lineman he has ever seen. I would not say it is ridiculous and outlandish because 1. I dont say words like OUTLANDISH and 2.if Nick aliotti said that that I would assume he was the best d lineman he has ever seen.Oh and I guess i will just have to trust you that harper isnt the best bellotti has ever seen cause you say so.

Haha what? What's wrong with the word outlandish? And the problem here is that Vinny nor I have ever seen a quote like the one you're talking about. Sure if Aliotti actually said that then I wouldn't say he didn't (?), I would just be totally surprised. And it would be pretty shocking for MB to say, since Harper had so few touches last year and really wasn't THAT special when he had the ball. I think he'll be a great player, but at this point he's certainly not one of the best playmakers ever. If either of you can pull up a quote, then fine, we're wrong.

The issue here is that people on this board tend to elevate CHarper to like J-Stew status. But all that MB ever said is that he is one of our best WRs/playmakers. That's such a big difference than one of the best Duck playmakers ever. I think he'll be really good. But I think anybody that really thinks he's THAT good has way too high expectations.

brich75 wrote:

dthomas=ddixon wrote:

VinnyKnuckles wrote: Hey, no sweat off my back if you want to believe that. If you want my opinion, this is just a case of your memory being a bit faulty. I believe your confusion involves leaving out a few key words when recalling what was said, which changes the meaning of a statement a great deal. You can't provide the quote, so I'm not sure why you find it so hard to acknowledge you might be mistaken, especially when I have provided you with the actual direct quotes in print.

MB addressed it more than once & there are multiple quotes out their. Congrats on being the only one do dig up ONE of the quotes so you could prove us all wrong. Honestly, who cares? I know what I heard & read, it still doesn't change Harper's ability.

THIS HAS TO BE MY MOTHER IN LAW!! MAKE A BIG DEAL OUT OF NOTHING AND TRYING TO KILL A TIME.WHO CARES IF HE SAID IT OR NOT I THINK IT WAS PRETTY OBVIOUS THE GUY WHO POSTED IT IS JUST STOKED ABOUT THE POTENTIAL OF HARPER WHATS THE BIG DEAL!! WE ARE NOT IN THE COURT OF LAW! ARENT WE ALL DUCK FANS

SOMETIMES I YELL WHEN I TALK ABOUT MY MOTHER IN LAW!!. OK im done yelling now!!!

CHRIS HARPER IS THE BEST ATHLETE TO EVER WALK THE PLANET. EVERY TIME HE TOUCHES THE BALL, HE SCORES A TOUCH DOWN. HE CAN PLAY EVERY POSITION ON THE FIELD & AT TIMES HE DOES....AND STILL SCORES. 11 ON 1, CHRIS AGAINST THE WHOLE TEAM. I WONT EVEN MENTION HIS SKILLS ON THE BASKETBALL COURT.

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While I think this whole conversation had gotten ridiculous this pic "Caps Lock Fury" is holy f*** hilarious!!

Good times!

Anyone else think this thread is the epitome of why this board isn't fun anymore?

Whether its at WR, RB or at QB (Wildcat anyone?). I am for anything that gets the ball into Chris Harper's hands more often. There now we are back on topic

Slot Back or Wide-Out. My preference is Slot with Jeff Maehl going to Terrance Scott's Right side WideOut where you need a dependable sure handed receiver who can catch less than perfectly thrown balls to bail-out our often scrambling quarterback who almost always scrambles to that right side.

The 1a Slot Back can gain more yards and score more touchdowns than the 1b (though more likely 1c) running back. Think James Rodgers and Dez Bryant.

Plus Harper showed more as a Receiver than a runner, his 2 touchdowns in 9 receptions is excellent. He made a couple of good catches and I saw a couple of real nice downfield blocks. As a running back his 3.9 yards per carry wasn't stellar particularly for someone so dangerous if he can find his way past the first level. Harper's play during the Arizona State game sold me on his potential to be a game changing receiver.

Speed and strength are nice for a running back but they are not nearly as important as vision and runners instinct. Ryan McCants at Oregon State is as big and fast as Harper, and watching him struggle showed if you can't navigate through the first level it doesn't do you any good as a running back.

Frankly if we need another running back for this year we should look at Kenjon Barner, redshirt freshman DB who ran for over 3000 yards and over 40 touchdowns his Senior year, or Malachi Lewis a hugely successful highly recruited big back. These guys have actually played the position and were highly successful at it, Harper hasn't been an RB since his Freshman year in high school.

echo31 wrote:Anyone else think this thread is the epitome of why this board isn't fun anymore?

maybe the board isnt fun anymore because you don't have a sense of humor.. By the way that's a sick tattoo,It would be way cooler if it was on a man's arm though!!

brich75 wrote:

echo31 wrote:Anyone else think this thread is the epitome of why this board isn't fun anymore?

maybe the board isnt fun anymore because you don't have a sense of humor.. By the way that's a sick tattoo,It would be way cooler if it was on a man's arm though!!

Wow ... I like how you slipped in a comment about my tattoo between 2 insults. Thanks!