Watching the Tennesee game right now

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oregon232 wrote:72-0 against a team a year removed from a turmoil filled 1-11 seasons doesn't mean as much as some are making it out to be. Tennessee is faster than NM and will play better defense. Remember last year, Boise St. DC absolutely shut us down. Well he is at TN now so It just might not be a walk in the park.
A DC can only do so much with what he's got. Keep in mind that he didn't bring his old Boise players along with him. He's forced to do what he can with Kiffin's outcasts.
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TriDuck wrote:
oregon232 wrote:72-0 against a team a year removed from a turmoil filled 1-11 seasons doesn't mean as much as some are making it out to be. Tennessee is faster than NM and will play better defense. Remember last year, Boise St. DC absolutely shut us down. Well he is at TN now so It just might not be a walk in the park.
A DC can only do so much with what he's got. Keep in mind that he didn't bring his old Boise players along with him. He's forced to do what he can with Kiffin's outcasts.
Kiffins outcasts happen to be much better athletes than he had in Boise.
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TriDuck wrote:
oregon232 wrote:72-0 against a team a year removed from a turmoil filled 1-11 seasons doesn't mean as much as some are making it out to be. Tennessee is faster than NM and will play better defense. Remember last year, Boise St. DC absolutely shut us down. Well he is at TN now so It just might not be a walk in the park.
A DC can only do so much with what he's got. Keep in mind that he didn't bring his old Boise players along with him. He's forced to do what he can with Kiffin's outcasts.
Tennessee's recruiting classes
2007 #3 3.63 avg
2008 #35 3.06 avg
2009 #10 3.62 avg
2010 #9 3.44 avg

Boise State's recruiting classes
2005 N/A 2.44 avg
2006 N/A 2.06 avg
2007 N/A 2.24 avg
2008 N/A 2.26 avg
2009 N/A 2.52 avg

I know it's just numbers on a piece of paper but if we're to assume they hit more than they miss, Justin Wilcox has more talent to coach. Rivals only shows the top 50 classes and Boise State wasn't top 50 for any of them.

I'm not saying this means Tennessee will win but just because Wilcox doesn't have his Boise State players doesn't mean they can't. He should actually be working with bigger, stronger and faster players.
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howdydodat wrote:
TriDuck wrote:
oregon232 wrote:72-0 against a team a year removed from a turmoil filled 1-11 seasons doesn't mean as much as some are making it out to be. Tennessee is faster than NM and will play better defense. Remember last year, Boise St. DC absolutely shut us down. Well he is at TN now so It just might not be a walk in the park.
A DC can only do so much with what he's got. Keep in mind that he didn't bring his old Boise players along with him. He's forced to do what he can with Kiffin's outcasts.
Tennessee's recruiting classes
2007 #3 3.63 avg
2008 #35 3.06 avg
2009 #10 3.62 avg
2010 #9 3.44 avg

Boise State's recruiting classes
2005 N/A 2.44 avg
2006 N/A 2.06 avg
2007 N/A 2.24 avg
2008 N/A 2.26 avg
2009 N/A 2.52 avg

I know it's just numbers on a piece of paper but if we're to assume they hit more than they miss, Justin Wilcox has more talent to coach. Rivals only shows the top 50 classes and Boise State wasn't top 50 for any of them.

I'm not saying this means Tennessee will win but just because Wilcox doesn't have his Boise State players doesn't mean they can't. He should actually be working with bigger, stronger and faster players.
Yeah but with more talent comes more egos. Everyone on Boise seemed to buy into Wilcox's system and that's what made it successful. It remains to be seen wether or not they do in Tennessee.
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I take nothing from this beatdown of NM, other than the Ducks are fine tuning matters. Having Wilcox is a tremendous boost to prepping for the Ducks,..the man spent an entire summer dissecting last years Duck team and offense, signals, no doubt he fixated on it again,...this is his moment to validate his worth to the Vol program.

Advantage the Ducks have is the fact this game did not disclose the dual back threat they bring next week,...and whether a 1 1/2 quarters of starters on the field showed enough of hand for him to fix on. Dogs were pretty well called off when Costa hit the field..his game plan restrained.

Were the boards used yesterday? or did they use hand signals? Never did see a picture of the sideline on the broadcast that I can think of.
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TriDuck wrote:
oregon232 wrote:72-0 against a team a year removed from a turmoil filled 1-11 seasons doesn't mean as much as some are making it out to be. Tennessee is faster than NM and will play better defense. Remember last year, Boise St. DC absolutely shut us down. Well he is at TN now so It just might not be a walk in the park.
A DC can only do so much with what he's got. Keep in mind that he didn't bring his old Boise players along with him. He's forced to do what he can with Kiffin's outcasts.
And, Wilcox will need to perform his "magic" within the time constraints that is governed by the NCAA....He is a quality DC, but....that being said....we are not the same team that he has seen in the previous years....and TN doesnt have the quality of defensive players that BSU had....It will be interesting to see how BSU does w/o Wilcox tomorrow...

Personally, I am really looking forward to watching OUR defense this year...Gonna cause more than one team fits...
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Greydrake wrote:I take nothing from this beatdown of NM, other than the Ducks are fine tuning matters. Having Wilcox is a tremendous boost to prepping for the Ducks,..the man spent an entire summer dissecting last years Duck team and offense, signals, no doubt he fixated on it again,...this is his moment to validate his worth to the Vol program.

Advantage the Ducks have is the fact this game did not disclose the dual back threat they bring next week,...and whether a 1 1/2 quarters of starters on the field showed enough of hand for him to fix on. Dogs were pretty well called off when Costa hit the field..his game plan restrained.

Were the boards used yesterday? or did they use hand signals? Never did see a picture of the sideline on the broadcast that I can think of.

All very valid and accurate points....
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Impressed with the D's intensity...and god damn fast,...pursuit was impressive. There again, level of competition was lacking, but the simple fact was this D' came to play, including the back-ups...too often we see the 2nd string give up that shut out. NM never even threatened, even against the back-ups.

But,...want to see how they handle a big power back and straight on attack...
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Greydrake wrote:Impressed with the D's intensity...and god damn fast,...pursuit was impressive. There again, level of competition was lacking, but the simple fact was this D' came to play, including the back-ups...too often we see the 2nd string give up that shut out. NM never even threatened, even against the back-ups.

But,...want to see how they handle a big power back and straight on attack...
Actually, most of the big power back paths are straight up the middle and I am confident that our linebackers will be there to meet em, provided they get through our defensive line.....Time will tell....and we shall see...

Toby sure did a number on us, as well as others, last year....
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In discussing what the Ducks did to NM, rather than the constant "72-0" refrain, I really think it's more to the point to be saying "59-0 at the half." That's just completely insane vs. any FBS school; and the Ducks quite evidently lifted their foot off the accelerator in the second half, both in personnel and gameplan. I thought it was a testament to preparation and execution, especially given that the players surely knew that the opponent was not very good.

That said, yes, of itself, the game means nothing going forward, and I'm not at all worried that the Ducks don't realize that. But it probably does function to help the Ducks see what this team has on the field and did give a lot of guys PT, and all of that helps.
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ducksrock wrote:
TriDuck wrote:
oregon232 wrote:72-0 against a team a year removed from a turmoil filled 1-11 seasons doesn't mean as much as some are making it out to be. Tennessee is faster than NM and will play better defense. Remember last year, Boise St. DC absolutely shut us down. Well he is at TN now so It just might not be a walk in the park.
A DC can only do so much with what he's got. Keep in mind that he didn't bring his old Boise players along with him. He's forced to do what he can with Kiffin's outcasts.
And, Wilcox will need to perform his "magic" within the time constraints that is governed by the NCAA....He is a quality DC, but....that being said....we are not the same team that he has seen in the previous years....and TN doesnt have the quality of defensive players that BSU had....It will be interesting to see how BSU does w/o Wilcox tomorrow...

Personally, I am really looking forward to watching OUR defense this year...Gonna cause more than one team fits...
What are you basing that on?

Sr 4* DE Chris Walker
Jr 4* DE Malik Jackson
Sr 4* DT Gerald Williams
So 3* DT Montori Hughes

Sr 3* LB Lamarcus Thompson
So 3* LB Herman Lathers
Sr 0* LB Nick Reveiz

Fr 4* CB Eric Gordon
Jr 3* CB Art Evans
So 3* FS Prentiss Waggner
So 5* SS Janzen Jackson

They have other 4* players as back ups but some of the 'lower rated' guys went out there and earned starting spots over them. Nick Reveiz for instance is a walk on and was a team captain last season before getting injured. I'm guessing Boise State was fielding mostly 3* guys so I guess I'm not sure what your basis is.

They did have more time to learn Wilcox's system though. I'll give you that because knowing the system helps.
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howdydodat wrote:
oregon232 wrote:72-0 against a team a year removed from a turmoil filled 1-11 seasons doesn't mean as much as some are making it out to be. Tennessee is faster than NM and will play better defense. Remember last year, Boise St. DC absolutely shut us down. Well he is at TN now so It just might not be a walk in the park.
Agreed. New Mexico's talent doesn't compare to Tennessee's. North Carolina played two starters on defense and still almost beat LSU. I'm guessing Tennessee's back ups probably could have beaten New Mexico. I won't say that with certainty after watching Ole Miss's starters lose to Jacksonville State but I'd like to think Tennessee's coaches/talent are more comparable to Butch/NC than Nutt/Miss.

Should be a good game. I think your boys will take it but hopefully I'm wrong. If that's the case, hopefully Tennessee at least keeps it within 14. If they are losing by more than two touchdowns in the 4th quarter I'll probably shut it off.
I just don't see a blowout since you don't really see blowouts in games between Pac-10 and SEC teams. I'm expecting the offense to click even more with LMJ and Barner back there and the passing game to hopefully pick up with Darron Thomas now a little comfortable as starter.
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I gonna go out on a limb and predict at least 1 rushing touchdown for Thomas.
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howdydodat wrote:
ducksrock wrote:
TriDuck wrote:
oregon232 wrote:72-0 against a team a year removed from a turmoil filled 1-11 seasons doesn't mean as much as some are making it out to be. Tennessee is faster than NM and will play better defense. Remember last year, Boise St. DC absolutely shut us down. Well he is at TN now so It just might not be a walk in the park.
A DC can only do so much with what he's got. Keep in mind that he didn't bring his old Boise players along with him. He's forced to do what he can with Kiffin's outcasts.
And, Wilcox will need to perform his "magic" within the time constraints that is governed by the NCAA....He is a quality DC, but....that being said....we are not the same team that he has seen in the previous years....and TN doesnt have the quality of defensive players that BSU had....It will be interesting to see how BSU does w/o Wilcox tomorrow...

Personally, I am really looking forward to watching OUR defense this year...Gonna cause more than one team fits...
What are you basing that on?

Sr 4* DE Chris Walker
Jr 4* DE Malik Jackson
Sr 4* DT Gerald Williams
So 3* DT Montori Hughes

Sr 3* LB Lamarcus Thompson
So 3* LB Herman Lathers
Sr 0* LB Nick Reveiz

Fr 4* CB Eric Gordon
Jr 3* CB Art Evans
So 3* FS Prentiss Waggner
So 5* SS Janzen Jackson

They have other 4* players as back ups but some of the 'lower rated' guys went out there and earned starting spots over them. Nick Reveiz for instance is a walk on and was a team captain last season before getting injured. I'm guessing Boise State was fielding mostly 3* guys so I guess I'm not sure what your basis is.

They did have more time to learn Wilcox's system though. I'll give you that because knowing the system helps.
Sorry, but I dont play "stars" ...we play on the field....We shall see how all of those stars pan out for ya later this week...And then I may buy ya a beer after the game, in celebration of a Duck victory.
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ducksrock wrote:
howdydodat wrote:
ducksrock wrote:
TriDuck wrote:
oregon232 wrote:72-0 against a team a year removed from a turmoil filled 1-11 seasons doesn't mean as much as some are making it out to be. Tennessee is faster than NM and will play better defense. Remember last year, Boise St. DC absolutely shut us down. Well he is at TN now so It just might not be a walk in the park.
A DC can only do so much with what he's got. Keep in mind that he didn't bring his old Boise players along with him. He's forced to do what he can with Kiffin's outcasts.
And, Wilcox will need to perform his "magic" within the time constraints that is governed by the NCAA....He is a quality DC, but....that being said....we are not the same team that he has seen in the previous years....and TN doesnt have the quality of defensive players that BSU had....It will be interesting to see how BSU does w/o Wilcox tomorrow...

Personally, I am really looking forward to watching OUR defense this year...Gonna cause more than one team fits...
What are you basing that on?

Sr 4* DE Chris Walker
Jr 4* DE Malik Jackson
Sr 4* DT Gerald Williams
So 3* DT Montori Hughes

Sr 3* LB Lamarcus Thompson
So 3* LB Herman Lathers
Sr 0* LB Nick Reveiz

Fr 4* CB Eric Gordon
Jr 3* CB Art Evans
So 3* FS Prentiss Waggner
So 5* SS Janzen Jackson

They have other 4* players as back ups but some of the 'lower rated' guys went out there and earned starting spots over them. Nick Reveiz for instance is a walk on and was a team captain last season before getting injured. I'm guessing Boise State was fielding mostly 3* guys so I guess I'm not sure what your basis is.

They did have more time to learn Wilcox's system though. I'll give you that because knowing the system helps.
Sorry, but I dont play "stars" ...we play on the field....We shall see how all of those stars pan out for ya later this week...And then I may buy ya a beer after the game, in celebration of a Duck victory.
My bad, you're right. Alabama, Florida and LSU consistently ranking top 5 in recruiting didn't matter when they won their National Championships. It's one thing for Boise State to beat Oregon, Oklahoma etc. one time a year. It's another thing to do it consistently. Boise State doesn't have more talent than Tennessee.

I'm glad you're so confident though. Hopefully you don't lose or you might have to be put on suicide watch.
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