Alan wrote: Mon Jan 26, 2026 6:51 pm
I couldn’t agree with Joey more, what the hell are you doing with a gun at a protest and then getting physical with federal agents
This is sociopathic behavior to disarm someone and then shoot them while other officers are on top of them and call it justified.
What are Federal Agents doing shooting a woman from the side and yelling "fcking btch" at them?
Definitely the makings of a Christian society, that's for sure.
Maybe he shouldn't have kept resisting when he had that many officers on him. It was his choice to keep making the situation even more chaotic and violent.
Please show me where you see the murder victim escalate the situation. When he attempts to lift a woman up who has been pushed down? When he raises his hand up as he's being pepper sprayed? Please compare the list you come up with, if anything, to the list of actions of the agent that escalated the situation.
It all just keeps coming back to some people are fine with murder as long as it's people they don't think they'd like, which in this case is apparently guys who work at the VA.
greenyellow wrote: Mon Jan 26, 2026 6:33 pm
As far takes on the latest incident go, this one might be the most reasonable and rational, even if it is on Fox News.
greenyellow wrote: Mon Jan 26, 2026 7:15 pm
Maybe he shouldn't have kept resisting when he had that many officers on him. It was his choice to keep making the situation even more chaotic and violent.
They were mad at him for filming them and escalated the entire situation up to that point. Then they murdered him. They pointed a gun at his head prior to even knowing he had a gun on him - they wanted to shoot someone and they did so saying he made the situation even more chaotic and violent is a pretty gross distortion of all of those events.
Some of the former Ron Paul folks have made a really interesting turn and I'm rather shocked to see it.
Nothing he did caused that level of response but the rush to call him a Domestic Terrorist and support DHS is revealing as well as ignoring his Rights.
Everyone knows a Federal E-Verify program stops the issue but the donor class won't do it so instead we get jack booted thugs killing Americans with no shame.
Up next will be the American "Sde Teiman" and half the board will support it.
Alan wrote: Mon Jan 26, 2026 6:51 pm
I couldn’t agree with Joey more, what the hell are you doing with a gun at a protest and then getting physical with federal agents
This is sociopathic behavior to disarm someone and then shoot them while other officers are on top of them and call it justified.
What are Federal Agents doing shooting a woman from the side and yelling "fcking btch" at them?
Definitely the makings of a Christian society, that's for sure.
Based on the vantage point of the officer who took the shot, he would not have seen the other officer disarming the guy who got shot.
EDIT: actually, it looks like the LEO who took the gun was within sightline of the shooting LEO. Whether the shooting officer actually saw this is unknown.
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greenyellow wrote: Mon Jan 26, 2026 7:15 pm
Maybe he shouldn't have kept resisting when he had that many officers on him. It was his choice to keep making the situation even more chaotic and violent.
They were mad at him for filming them and escalated the entire situation up to that point. Then they murdered him. They pointed a gun at his head prior to even knowing he had a gun on him - they wanted to shoot someone and they did so saying he made the situation even more chaotic and violent is a pretty gross distortion of all of those events.
Some of the former Ron Paul folks have made a really interesting turn and I'm rather shocked to see it.
Nothing he did caused that level of response but the rush to call him a Domestic Terrorist and support DHS is revealing as well as ignoring his Rights.
I am trying to figure out if you just can't read for retention, or you simply lack someone to argue with as you angrily watch television or read twitter, so you are manufacturing opponents here. Literally nobody here is calling him a domestic terrorist. Nobody is happy he got shot, and I haven't seen one person here saying that Pretti's actions deserved or necessitated being killed. What people are saying is that it could have been avoided if he had behaved differently. There is a huge gap between that position and the straw man you keep trying to build. There were probably dozens of people filming there, and they did not get shot. That wasn't it.
Alan wrote: Mon Jan 26, 2026 6:51 pm
I couldn’t agree with Joey more, what the hell are you doing with a gun at a protest and then getting physical with federal agents
This is sociopathic behavior to disarm someone and then shoot them while other officers are on top of them and call it justified.
What are Federal Agents doing shooting a woman from the side and yelling "fcking btch" at them?
Definitely the makings of a Christian society, that's for sure.
Maybe he shouldn't have kept resisting when he had that many officers on him. It was his choice to keep making the situation even more chaotic and violent.
Please show me where you see the murder victim escalate the situation. When he attempts to lift a woman up who has been pushed down? When he raises his hand up as he's being pepper sprayed? Please compare the list you come up with, if anything, to the list of actions of the agent that escalated the situation.
It all just keeps coming back to some people are fine with murder as long as it's people they don't think they'd like, which in this case is apparently guys who work at the VA.
He kept resisting getting arrested with multiple federal agents on him. A smarter person would know they're outmanned and aren't going to get out of that many LEOs on top of them. It would have been better for him to deal with arrest than potentially being shot. It's all about making better choices rather than being okay with murder or supporting someone because of their political beliefs.
Phalanx wrote: Mon Jan 26, 2026 7:44 pm
I am trying to figure out if you just can't read for retention, or you simply lack someone to argue with as you angrily watch television or read twitter, so you are manufacturing opponents here. Literally nobody here is calling him a domestic terrorist. Nobody is happy he got shot, and I haven't seen one person here saying that Pretti's actions deserved or necessitated being killed. What people are saying is that it could have been avoided if he had behaved differently. There is a huge gap between that position and the straw man you keep trying to build. There were probably dozens of people filming there, and they did not get shot. That wasn't it.
DHS called him a domestic terrorist and you're supporting it when you blame the victim rather than the obvious and overt murder of American citizen being your primary outrage, to say nothing of the other major Constitutional violations going on.
Further, you really love to make personal attacks and then become self-righteous like, what was that nonsense about protecting your wife and kids for 25 years if not a need to boast on the internet about how tough you are?
Even now, you're daft over the murder with such a juvenile response as "other people filmed and they didn't get shot." A sane person says nobody should have been shot if it weren't for the actions of DHS and this Administration to terrorize the American public at large and escalate situations with even more violent actions.
There was no reason for that lady to be shoved and not even a need to pepper spray him. The Feds decided to escalate against Citizens because its a military style "us vs them" and we're now the "them."
Phalanx wrote: Mon Jan 26, 2026 7:44 pm
I am trying to figure out if you just can't read for retention, or you simply lack someone to argue with as you angrily watch television or read twitter, so you are manufacturing opponents here. Literally nobody here is calling him a domestic terrorist. Nobody is happy he got shot, and I haven't seen one person here saying that Pretti's actions deserved or necessitated being killed. What people are saying is that it could have been avoided if he had behaved differently. There is a huge gap between that position and the straw man you keep trying to build. There were probably dozens of people filming there, and they did not get shot. That wasn't it.
DHS called him a domestic terrorist and you're supporting it when you blame the victim rather than the obvious and overt murder of American citizen being your primary outrage.
This is unhinged.
Because people are correctly pointing out that he made multiple bad decisions that led to him being in a dangerous situation means that we are calling him a domestic terrorist?
greenyellow wrote: Mon Jan 26, 2026 7:15 pm
Maybe he shouldn't have kept resisting when he had that many officers on him. It was his choice to keep making the situation even more chaotic and violent.
They were mad at him for filming them and escalated the entire situation up to that point. Then they murdered him. They pointed a gun at his head prior to even knowing he had a gun on him - they wanted to shoot someone and they did so saying he made the situation even more chaotic and violent is a pretty gross distortion of all of those events.
Some of the former Ron Paul folks have made a really interesting turn and I'm rather shocked to see it.
Nothing he did caused that level of response but the rush to call him a Domestic Terrorist and support DHS is revealing as well as ignoring his Rights.
Everyone knows a Federal E-Verify program stops the issue but the donor class won't do it so instead we get jack booted thugs killing Americans with no shame.
Up next will be the American "Sde Teiman" and half the board will support it.
You seem to be forgetting the part where he's struggling with 3-5 federal agents on him on the ground. At that point, anybody should have some basic survival instinct and common sense to know when to give up. As far as the Border Patrol agents having a gun pulled out, that's pretty standard operating procedure across multiple levels of law enforcement when dealing with an unruly person or situation. It got ratcheted up even more after finding the gun and he kept fighting. He would have been better off getting arrested and then likely released with minimal repercussions (given how the local DA and federal courts are prosecuting these types of detainments.)
greenyellow wrote: Mon Jan 26, 2026 8:09 pm
You seem to be forgetting the part where he's struggling with 3-5 federal agents on him on the ground. At that point, anybody should have some basic survival instinct and common sense to know when to give up. As far as the Border Patrol agents having a gun pulled out, that's pretty standard operating procedure across multiple levels of law enforcement when dealing with an unruly person or situation. It got ratcheted up even more after finding the gun and he kept fighting. He would have been better off getting arrested and then likely released with minimal repercussions (given how the local DA and federal courts are prosecuting these types of detainments.)
No, nobody should think they are about to get murdered by the Feds in that moment because none of those actions warrant the execution of a citizen.
I can't believe those of you who find this murder justified - it's morally depraving stuff.
You arrest someone like that, you don't shoot them for crying out loud.
Phalanx wrote: Mon Jan 26, 2026 7:44 pm
I am trying to figure out if you just can't read for retention, or you simply lack someone to argue with as you angrily watch television or read twitter, so you are manufacturing opponents here. Literally nobody here is calling him a domestic terrorist. Nobody is happy he got shot, and I haven't seen one person here saying that Pretti's actions deserved or necessitated being killed. What people are saying is that it could have been avoided if he had behaved differently. There is a huge gap between that position and the straw man you keep trying to build. There were probably dozens of people filming there, and they did not get shot. That wasn't it.
DHS called him a domestic terrorist and you're supporting it when you blame the victim rather than the obvious and overt murder of American citizen being your primary outrage, to say nothing of the other major Constitutional violations going on.
Further, you really love to make personal attacks and then become self-righteous like, what was that nonsense about protecting your wife and kids for 25 years if not a need to boast on the internet about how tough you are?
Even now, you're daft over the murder with such a juvenile response as "other people filmed and they didn't get shot." A sane person says nobody should have been shot if it weren't for the actions of DHS and this Administration to terrorize the American public at large and escalate situations with even more violent actions.
There was no reason for that lady to be shoved and not even a need to pepper spray him. The Feds decided to escalate against Citizens because its a military style "us vs them" and we're now the "them."
You seem to be forgetting STU making a statement about Phalanx not knowing what it means to protect women and Phalanx telling him about his family. You and STU are the only ones trying to make that into more than it should be and personally attacking him. Beginning to feel like this thread may need to locked so people can cool off.
Duck 07: "They were mad at him for filming them and escalated the entire situation up to that point. Then they murdered him."
Me: "Lots of people were filming. That isn't why he got shot"
Duck 07 "You're daft!"
STU: "you've presented yourself as both not interested in truth and being so cowardly that not only do you not aim to protect women but you judge other guys for protecting women."
Me: Actually, I protect a handful of women on a daily basis. How about you?
STU: <Crickets>
Duck O7: "You're boasting on the internet about how tough you are!!!"
I think we are done here.
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greenyellow wrote: Mon Jan 26, 2026 8:15 pm
You seem to be forgetting STU making a statement about Phalanx not knowing what it means to protect women and Phalanx telling him about his family. You and STU are the only ones trying to make that into more than it should be and personally attacking him. Beginning to feel like this thread may need to locked so people can cool off.
If I don't cool down are you going to shoot me 10 times in the back or do you think there's another way to de-escalate the situation as the Authority figure?
greenyellow wrote: Mon Jan 26, 2026 8:15 pm
You seem to be forgetting STU making a statement about Phalanx not knowing what it means to protect women and Phalanx telling him about his family. You and STU are the only ones trying to make that into more than it should be and personally attacking him. Beginning to feel like this thread may need to locked so people can cool off.
If I don't cool down are you going to shoot me 10 times in the back or do you think there's another way to de-escalate the situation as the Authority figure?
This is really your response to a simple message board disagreement? This is not very mature or helpful. Consider this thread locked for the time being.
