droop10 wrote: Sun Oct 13, 2024 2:24 pm
Hilarious to see the dichotomy between this board and Ohio’s. On this board, Stein is questioned for his play calling and complaints flying in as he puts up 32 on likely the most talented D in the NCAA this year. On their board, they’re talking about how their D coordinator was completely outcoached and they’re calling for his head.
Most are calling for the DC’s head and some are calling for the HC’s head, my question to them in regards to the HC is whom are they going to get that is better than RD? They would have to take a chance on a young and up and coming coach, that just isn’t in their “tradition” as a progrum.
They can pull nearly any coach in the country that they want, except for a small handful (Smart, DeBoer, Lanning, Sarkisian). Luke Fickell would probably be the most obvious one to project there.
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Love this. I don’t know Holden but my sense is he’s someone who has some real flaws but is aware of them and is trying to change. Which is what matters in my book.
That said, I’d expect Lanning to handle it internally and that we won’t see Holden for a game or two. Which is fair.
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droop10 wrote: Sun Oct 13, 2024 2:24 pm
Hilarious to see the dichotomy between this board and Ohio’s. On this board, Stein is questioned for his play calling and complaints flying in as he puts up 32 on likely the most talented D in the NCAA this year. On their board, they’re talking about how their D coordinator was completely outcoached and they’re calling for his head.
Most are calling for the DC’s head and some are calling for the HC’s head, my question to them in regards to the HC is whom are they going to get that is better than RD? They would have to take a chance on a young and up and coming coach, that just isn’t in their “tradition” as a progrum.
They can pull nearly any coach in the country that they want, except for a small handful (Smart, DeBoer, Lanning, Sarkisian). Luke Fickell would probably be the most obvious one to project there.
I know they can pull “almost” anyone, but of those who they can, my question was who is better as a coach than RD? In the last 4 yrs his only losses in regular season are to Mich and OR.
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droop10 wrote: Sun Oct 13, 2024 2:24 pm
Hilarious to see the dichotomy between this board and Ohio’s. On this board, Stein is questioned for his play calling and complaints flying in as he puts up 32 on likely the most talented D in the NCAA this year. On their board, they’re talking about how their D coordinator was completely outcoached and they’re calling for his head.
Most are calling for the DC’s head and some are calling for the HC’s head, my question to them in regards to the HC is whom are they going to get that is better than RD? They would have to take a chance on a young and up and coming coach, that just isn’t in their “tradition” as a progrum.
They can pull nearly any coach in the country that they want, except for a small handful (Smart, DeBoer, Lanning, Sarkisian). Luke Fickell would probably be the most obvious one to project there.
I know they can pull “almost” anyone, but of those who they can, my question was who is better as a coach than RD? In the last 4 yrs his only losses in regular season are to Mich and OR.
In the off-season USC and Ohio State have a chance to do the funniest thing...
Re: #2 Ohio State @ #3 Oregon (Oct. 12, Sat 4:30 PM NBC)
Posted: Sun Oct 13, 2024 6:42 pm
by QuackininBama
BTW.......no one has talked about it, but we should. Lanning is playing 3D chess while everyone else is playing checkers. The "12 men on the field"..........GENIUS. That was NOT a mistake.
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Posted: Sun Oct 13, 2024 8:29 pm
by ducks5ever
rsbgduck wrote: Sun Oct 13, 2024 4:35 pm
I know they can pull “almost” anyone, but of those who they can, my question was who is better as a coach than RD? In the last 4 yrs his only losses in regular season are to Mich and OR.
My friend is an Ohio State fan. He thinks the fans who want Ryan Day gone forgot that he was a play or 2 from winning the national championship. (Georgia murdered TCU that year).
He does like Matt Campbell. There's apparently a tradition where all the Ohio State coaches are from the state of Ohio (Ryan Day doesn't fit).
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Re: #2 Ohio State @ #3 Oregon (Oct. 12, Sat 4:30 PM NBC)
Posted: Mon Oct 14, 2024 5:33 am
by hslack
OregonFan4Life wrote: Sat Oct 12, 2024 7:47 pm
Why is Ferguson blocking JTT on that 3rd and goal?
I know I'm late but the lack of impact from JTT and Sawyer was astounding. Just wearing a uniform out there. Sad that we got more production out of 2 true sophomores
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Posted: Mon Oct 14, 2024 6:31 am
by hslack
droop10 wrote: Sun Oct 13, 2024 2:24 pm
Hilarious to see the dichotomy between this board and Ohio’s. On this board, Stein is questioned for his play calling and complaints flying in as he puts up 32 on likely the most talented D in the NCAA this year. On their board, they’re talking about how their D coordinator was completely outcoached and they’re calling for his head.
Their DC is basically stealing from OSU getting 2 million a year. His seat should be scolding hot right now.
Re: #2 Ohio State @ #3 Oregon (Oct. 12, Sat 4:30 PM NBC)
droop10 wrote: Sun Oct 13, 2024 2:24 pm
Hilarious to see the dichotomy between this board and Ohio’s. On this board, Stein is questioned for his play calling and complaints flying in as he puts up 32 on likely the most talented D in the NCAA this year. On their board, they’re talking about how their D coordinator was completely outcoached and they’re calling for his head.
Their DC is basically stealing from OSU getting 2 million a year. His seat should be scolding hot right now.
I don't think I quite understood the depth of their hubris. They expected to simply show up and dominate. Instead they got played to a draw that oregon came out on top. Our line was just better on both sides. Its as if they didnt think to send pressure after 4 men cant get consistent pressure. The adjustment were not there his seat, compared to their expectations should be en feugo.
Re: #2 Ohio State @ #3 Oregon (Oct. 12, Sat 4:30 PM NBC)
droop10 wrote: Sun Oct 13, 2024 2:24 pm
Hilarious to see the dichotomy between this board and Ohio’s. On this board, Stein is questioned for his play calling and complaints flying in as he puts up 32 on likely the most talented D in the NCAA this year. On their board, they’re talking about how their D coordinator was completely outcoached and they’re calling for his head.
Their DC is basically stealing from OSU getting 2 million a year. His seat should be scolding hot right now.
I don't think I quite understood the depth of their hubris. They expected to simply show up and dominate. Instead they got played to a draw that oregon came out on top. Our line was just better on both sides. Its as if they didnt think to send pressure after 4 men cant get consistent pressure. The adjustment were not there his seat, compared to their expectations should be en feugo.
And isn’t that essentially exactly what they did when we beat them in Columbus? I remember them being totally unprepared for what we were doing on offense, which was not at all complicated. And they never even made an attempt at adjusting during the game.
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droop10 wrote: Sun Oct 13, 2024 2:24 pm
Hilarious to see the dichotomy between this board and Ohio’s. On this board, Stein is questioned for his play calling and complaints flying in as he puts up 32 on likely the most talented D in the NCAA this year. On their board, they’re talking about how their D coordinator was completely outcoached and they’re calling for his head.
Their DC is basically stealing from OSU getting 2 million a year. His seat should be scolding hot right now.
I mean, look at the tOSU defensive rank before he got there and the defensive rank now. He's earning every penny. It was hot garbage before Knowles.
Re: #2 Ohio State @ #3 Oregon (Oct. 12, Sat 4:30 PM NBC)
droop10 wrote: Sun Oct 13, 2024 2:24 pm
Hilarious to see the dichotomy between this board and Ohio’s. On this board, Stein is questioned for his play calling and complaints flying in as he puts up 32 on likely the most talented D in the NCAA this year. On their board, they’re talking about how their D coordinator was completely outcoached and they’re calling for his head.
Their DC is basically stealing from OSU getting 2 million a year. His seat should be scolding hot right now.
I don't think I quite understood the depth of their hubris. They expected to simply show up and dominate. Instead they got played to a draw that oregon came out on top. Our line was just better on both sides. Its as if they didnt think to send pressure after 4 men cant get consistent pressure. The adjustment were not there his seat, compared to their expectations should be en feugo.
In reading the OSU boards, a few things stand out to me about ^. First thing is that they absolutely did change their pressure packages in the 2nd half and started rushing more - Our OL just did a terrific job of picking up those blitzes and James even had 1 great stack against a LB. The other thing is how they talk about their DL coach having things his way while the DC wants to do other things. Mainly it sounds like the DL coach Johnson ONLY wants to play Even (4 man) fronts) whereas the DC wants to incorporate Odd man fronts (3/5). If true, you certainly understand the frustration with having a limited scheme. About the only position coach they have where I'd say "he gets to do what he wants" would be Brian Hartline at WR Coach.
For the Buckeyes that wanted to run more in the 2nd half, Chip wisely stopped because they went 12 for 19 rushing in that half and didn't have Simmons at LT. As it was, Matayo had already made 1-2 plays against Simmons when he was in.
What's also very rewarding on the rewatch is that we were trailing at the end of the 1st half and end of the 2nd half and each time our Offense drove the distance of the field to get a go-ahead score late while the Defense was able to use the minute plus of time remaining to make sure that OSU couldn't get a drive into scoring range. That's 2 separate must-haves for each unit on 4 drives where Oregon went 4-4 and OSU went 0-4.
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droop10 wrote: Sun Oct 13, 2024 2:24 pm
Hilarious to see the dichotomy between this board and Ohio’s. On this board, Stein is questioned for his play calling and complaints flying in as he puts up 32 on likely the most talented D in the NCAA this year. On their board, they’re talking about how their D coordinator was completely outcoached and they’re calling for his head.
Their DC is basically stealing from OSU getting 2 million a year. His seat should be scolding hot right now.
Coordinators on other teams are turning into the new backup QBs. Fans always think other guys are a better option, when it may not be true. I think this is something that's frustrated me in general across all sports. In this new social media era, everyone wants instant gratification, and at any hint of adversity, fans start calling for a coach's head. There always needs be a scapegoat. It can't be that the other team just performed better that day, or they had great coaches that also made good play calls. A lot of it is that fans just watch their team in a vacuum, so they are hyperaware of every little thing that goes awry with their team, while only getting a high level view of other teams. So, they refuse to acknowledge that other teams (or coaches) also have flaws or make mistakes occasionally.
I already saw multiple OSU fans on their board make the same claim the fans on here did about not having a championship level team, because heaven forbid, they lost a 1 point game on the road. Here it was because the Ducks were only winning by 3 scores after a slow start to the season. There are no flawless teams in college football, and any of the top 10 teams can win on a given Saturday when playing each other. Both of these teams are absolutely capable of winning the championship. It's also possible to gel and improve over the course of a season, which the Ducks have absolutely been doing. They should easily be favored in every game until the B1G championship, but we'll see what happens. We've already seen the impacts of the long travel across country, so that makes me a bit nervous for a couple of those road games, though they should win them.
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