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Copied this from another message board, thought "some" here would be interested. SEC teams are a bunch of sissies when it comes to traveling and playing a true OOC game. Have to give credit to Tennessee for traveling to Eugene this year.

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This is completely useless but I was interested in miles traveled for OOC games after the recent discussion on SEC scheduling. Check out the furthest distance traveled for an OOC game and this just highlights that Tennessee is really the exception to the SEC scheduling rule.

SEC
Tennessee - 2,500 miles at Oregon
Arkansas - 1,250 miles at Rutgers
Vandy - 1,050 miles at UMass
Ole Miss - 730 miles at Texas
Miss St - 560 miles to play Okie St in Houston
LSU - 450 miles to play TCU in Arlington
S Car - 430 miles at Central Florida
Florida - 335 miles to Miami
Missouri - 320 miles at Indiana
Kentucky - 220 miles to Nashville to play Western Kentucky (not sure why this makes any sense for 2 kentucky teams to play in Nashville, TN...)
Alabama - 200 miles neutral in Atlanta vs VT
Georgia - 72 miles at Georgia Tech
Auburn - 0 all 4 OOC games at home.
Texas A&M - 0 all 4 OOC games at home.

Only 8 of the 14 teams in the SEC play a true road OOC game and only 9 of their 56 (16%) OOC games are on the road (Georgia plays twice on the road but both within 75 miles of campus)

Pac-12
USC 4,000 miles at Hawaii (also 2,100 miles at Notre Dame)
Stanford 2,950 miles at Army
Oregon 2,810 miles at Virginia
WSU 2,520 miles at Auburn
Washington 2,100 miles at Illinois
UCLA 1,500 miles at Nebraska
ASU 1,050 miles vs Notre Dame in Arlington
OSU 1,020 miles at SDSU
Arizona 410 mile at UNLV
Utah 45 miles at BYU
Colorado 30 miles to play Colorado St in Denver
Cal 0 all 3 OOC games at home

9 of 12 in the Pac play true road games (2 of the 3 that don't play true road OOC games have 5 conference road games and ASU is the other and have ND in Texas).
10 of the 37 (27%) OOC games for Pac-12 teams are on the road and in addition 6 of 12 Pac teams have 5 conf games on the road.

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Not to steal from your great work here, but I thought i would order this list of data.

1. USC 4000 Pac 12 rank 1
2. Standford 2950 Pac 12 rank 2
3. Oregon 2810 Pac 12 rank 3
4. WSU 2520 Pac 12 rank 4
5. Tennessee 2500 SEC rank 1
6. Washington 2100 Pac 12 rank 5
7. UCLA 1500 Pac 12 rank 6
8. Arkansas 1250 SEC rank 2
8. ASU 1050 Pac 12 rank 7
8. Vandy 1050 SEC rank 3
10. OSU 1020 Pac 12 rank 8
11. Ole Miss 730 SEC rank 4
12. Miss St. 560 SEC rank 5
13. LSU 450 SEC rank 6
14. S. Car 430 SEC rank 7
15. Arizona 410 PAC 12 rank 9
16. Florida 335 SEC rank 8
17. Missouri 320 SEC rank 9
18. Kentucky 220 SEC rank 10
19. Alabama 200 SEC rank 11
20. Georgia 72 SEC rank 12
21. Utah 45 PAC 12 rank 10
22. Colorado 30 PAC 12 rank 11
23. Auburn 0 SEC rank 13
23. Cal 0 Pac 12 rank 12
23. Texas A&M 0 SEC rank 13

I wish we played a more SEC-like schedule. Traveling 3k miles to play Virginia is useless.

uodux1212 wrote:I wish we played a more SEC-like schedule. Traveling 3k miles to play Virginia is useless.

Lots of talent in Virginia.

uodux1212 wrote:I wish we played a more SEC-like schedule. Traveling 3k miles to play Virginia is useless.

I actually love East Coast visits. It only helps expose us more (I guess that's not really a problem these days though?), and also it's nice to play some fresh blood. I get tired of playing the same OOC teams from non BCS conferences.

I know Virginia isn't that good but I think it's a great idea to play on the East Coast. I know a ton of people who are clamoring to get tickets to that game that live in DC or NYC etc. We are obviously nowhere close to a Notre Dame but we have fans all across the country now and by playing in Dallas and Virginia and Ohio St coming up etc we are only going to grow our brand and fanbase and recruiting base.

Copied this from another message board, thought "some" here would be interested. SEC teams are a bunch of sissies when it comes to traveling and playing a true OOC game. Have to give credit to Tennessee for traveling to Eugene this year.

What is even the argument here? That the miles traveled is more important than the quality of the opponent? Let’s add the oppositions record from he previous year and re-stratify the "rankings"

1. Tennessee - 2,500 miles at Oregon (12-1)
1. ASU 1,050 miles vs Notre Dame in Arlington (12-1)
2. S Car - 430 miles at Central Florida (10-4)
2. UCLA 1,500 miles at Nebraska (10-4)
3. Arkansas - 1,250 miles at Rutgers (9-4)
3. Ole Miss - 730 miles at Texas (9-4)
3. OSU 1,020 miles at SDSU (9-4)
4. Utah 45 miles at BYU (8-5)
5. Miss St - 560 miles to play Okie St in Houston (8-5)
6. Georgia - 72 miles at Georgia Tech (7-7)
6. LSU - 450 miles to play TCU in Arlington (7-6)
6. Alabama - 200 miles neutral in Atlanta vs VT (7-6)
6. Kentucky - 220 miles to Nashville to play Western Kentucky (7-6) *to explain why the neutral site, it is like their version of the Red river shootout.
7. Florida - 335 miles to Miami (7-5)
8. Missouri - 320 miles at Indiana (4-8)
8. Oregon 2,810 miles at Virginia (4-8)
8. Colorado 30 miles to play Colorado St in Denver (4-8)
9. USC 4,000 miles at Hawaii (3-9) Pac 12
9. WSU 2,520 miles at Auburn (3-9)
10. Stanford 2,950 miles at Army (2-10)
11. Washington 2,100 miles at Illinois (2-10)
12. Arizona 410 mile at UNLV (2-11)
13. Vandy - 1,050 miles at UMass (1-11

ETA: according to the above data 64% of the PAC's "true OOC" games that you mentioned had a losing record last season. In comparison, 83% of the SEC's "sissy OOC" games that you mentioned had a winning record with 33% of those winning at least 9 games in 2012.

In addition, that is just this year. LSU has played away games against y'all, North Carolina, WVU, Washington and have a home and away scheduled with Oklahoma and working on one with Wisconsin. Bama has traveled to play Michigan and Penn State. Georgia had a neutral site game against Boise in their prime, Arky has been out to USC, I think you all did a home and away against Miss State, and so on.

UOducksTK1 wrote:

uodux1212 wrote:I wish we played a more SEC-like schedule. Traveling 3k miles to play Virginia is useless.

I actually love East Coast visits. It only helps expose us more (I guess that's not really a problem these days though?), and also it's nice to play some fresh blood. I get tired of playing the same OOC teams from non BCS conferences.

Would of made a lot more sense for y'all to make this one a one time neutral site game...that is a lot of money to spend and not get a good return to play a what is basically a rent a win.

I wish we played a more SEC-like schedule. Traveling 3k miles to play Virginia is useless.

Really makes no sense to me, the pay out is not going to cover your cost of going and it is not going to boost your SOS. It will put you on TV in a time slot you don't normally get into though...maybe that plays a part of it?

I actually think Washington is doing their visit to AU without the promise of a return visit, which is very respectable. This match up intrigues me. Two of the worst teams in their respected conferences squaring off in a winner take all battle for bragging rights! Should get HUGE ratings and give one of the conferences a lot of ammo in the "my bottom half is better than yours" argument.

Bud Lee wrote:

In addition, that is just this year. LSU has played away games against y'all, North Carolina, WVU, Washington and have a home and away scheduled with Oklahoma and working on one with Wisconsin. Bama has traveled to play Michigan and Penn State. Georgia had a neutral site game against Boise in their prime, Arky has been out to USC, I think you all did a home and away against Miss State, and so on.

Got to take my hat off to LSU for scheduling against tough OOC opponents.

RanDux wrote:

Bud Lee wrote:

In addition, that is just this year. LSU has played away games against y'all, North Carolina, WVU, Washington and have a home and away scheduled with Oklahoma and working on one with Wisconsin. Bama has traveled to play Michigan and Penn State. Georgia had a neutral site game against Boise in their prime, Arky has been out to USC, I think you all did a home and away against Miss State, and so on.

Got to take my hat off to LSU for scheduling against tough OOC opponents.

It’s been fun to watch lately.

Bud Lee wrote:
Really makes no sense to me, the pay out is not going to cover your cost of going and it is not going to boost your SOS. It will put you on TV in a time slot you don't normally get into though...maybe that plays a part of it?

Your points are valid, but look at it from a different angle...

Recruiting? A quick look at Oregon's prospects on Scout:

2014: 15+ recruits within driving distance of that game, 4 of which have offers
2015: 10+ recruits already listed

Traveling over there promotes the national brand, and gives a first-hand look at this flashy brand of football. Sure, you can see it on TV, but watching it live is a different story. Almost like seeing a Lamborghini in a magazine vs. at a car show. You appreciate it much more in person. It may help to dispel the "East Coast Bias" a bit as well. Let's face it, voters still run this game...I'm up for doing everything possible to level the playing field. Just thinking out loud.

EDIT: One more thought...with these points in mind, you have to take who you can get. There aren't many teams willing to take on Oregon in their OOC schedule, even at home (Kudos to LSU).

Bud Lee wrote:

Copied this from another message board, thought "some" here would be interested. SEC teams are a bunch of sissies when it comes to traveling and playing a true OOC game. Have to give credit to Tennessee for traveling to Eugene this year.

What is even the argument here? That the miles traveled is more important than the quality of the opponent? Let’s add the oppositions record from he previous year and re-stratify the "rankings"

1. Tennessee - 2,500 miles at Oregon (12-1)
1. ASU 1,050 miles vs Notre Dame in Arlington (12-1)
2. S Car - 430 miles at Central Florida (10-4)
2. UCLA 1,500 miles at Nebraska (10-4)
3. Arkansas - 1,250 miles at Rutgers (9-4)
3. Ole Miss - 730 miles at Texas (9-4)
3. OSU 1,020 miles at SDSU (9-4)
4. Utah 45 miles at BYU (8-5)
5. Miss St - 560 miles to play Okie St in Houston (8-5)
6. Georgia - 72 miles at Georgia Tech (7-7)
6. LSU - 450 miles to play TCU in Arlington (7-6)
6. Alabama - 200 miles neutral in Atlanta vs VT (7-6)
6. Kentucky - 220 miles to Nashville to play Western Kentucky (7-6) *to explain why the neutral site, it is like their version of the Red river shootout.
7. Florida - 335 miles to Miami (7-5)
8. Missouri - 320 miles at Indiana (4-8)
8. Oregon 2,810 miles at Virginia (4-8)
8. Colorado 30 miles to play Colorado St in Denver (4-8)
9. USC 4,000 miles at Hawaii (3-9) Pac 12
9. WSU 2,520 miles at Auburn (3-9)
10. Stanford 2,950 miles at Army (2-10)
11. Washington 2,100 miles at Illinois (2-10)
12. Arizona 410 mile at UNLV (2-11)
13. Vandy - 1,050 miles at UMass (1-11

ETA: according to the above data 64% of the PAC's "true OOC" games that you mentioned had a losing record last season. In comparison, 83% of the SEC's "sissy OOC" games that you mentioned had a winning record with 33% of those winning at least 9 games in 2012.

In addition, that is just this year. LSU has played away games against y'all, North Carolina, WVU, Washington and have a home and away scheduled with Oklahoma and working on one with Wisconsin. Bama has traveled to play Michigan and Penn State. Georgia had a neutral site game against Boise in their prime, Arky has been out to USC, I think you all did a home and away against Miss State, and so on.

(What I got out of this)

Wait...Auburn isn't good?

JIDuck97 wrote:

Bud Lee wrote:

Copied this from another message board, thought "some" here would be interested. SEC teams are a bunch of sissies when it comes to traveling and playing a true OOC game. Have to give credit to Tennessee for traveling to Eugene this year.

What is even the argument here? That the miles traveled is more important than the quality of the opponent? Let’s add the oppositions record from he previous year and re-stratify the "rankings"

1. Tennessee - 2,500 miles at Oregon (12-1)
1. ASU 1,050 miles vs Notre Dame in Arlington (12-1)
2. S Car - 430 miles at Central Florida (10-4)
2. UCLA 1,500 miles at Nebraska (10-4)
3. Arkansas - 1,250 miles at Rutgers (9-4)
3. Ole Miss - 730 miles at Texas (9-4)
3. OSU 1,020 miles at SDSU (9-4)
4. Utah 45 miles at BYU (8-5)
5. Miss St - 560 miles to play Okie St in Houston (8-5)
6. Georgia - 72 miles at Georgia Tech (7-7)
6. LSU - 450 miles to play TCU in Arlington (7-6)
6. Alabama - 200 miles neutral in Atlanta vs VT (7-6)
6. Kentucky - 220 miles to Nashville to play Western Kentucky (7-6) *to explain why the neutral site, it is like their version of the Red river shootout.
7. Florida - 335 miles to Miami (7-5)
8. Missouri - 320 miles at Indiana (4-8)
8. Oregon 2,810 miles at Virginia (4-8)
8. Colorado 30 miles to play Colorado St in Denver (4-8)
9. USC 4,000 miles at Hawaii (3-9) Pac 12
9. WSU 2,520 miles at Auburn (3-9)
10. Stanford 2,950 miles at Army (2-10)
11. Washington 2,100 miles at Illinois (2-10)
12. Arizona 410 mile at UNLV (2-11)
13. Vandy - 1,050 miles at UMass (1-11

ETA: according to the above data 64% of the PAC's "true OOC" games that you mentioned had a losing record last season. In comparison, 83% of the SEC's "sissy OOC" games that you mentioned had a winning record with 33% of those winning at least 9 games in 2012.

In addition, that is just this year. LSU has played away games against y'all, North Carolina, WVU, Washington and have a home and away scheduled with Oklahoma and working on one with Wisconsin. Bama has traveled to play Michigan and Penn State. Georgia had a neutral site game against Boise in their prime, Arky has been out to USC, I think you all did a home and away against Miss State, and so on.

(What I got out of this)

Wait...Auburn isn't good?

They are going to be lucky to put together a 5 win season this year.

Here is my prediction

Washington St Toss up but I'll give the edge to AU since they are the home teal: win
Arkansas St Loss
Miss. St Loss
LSU Loss
Ole Miss Loss
W Carolina Win
Texas A&M Loss
Florida Atl Win
Arkansas Loss
Tennessee Loss
Georgia Loss
Alabama Loss

Bud Lee wrote:

JIDuck97 wrote:

Bud Lee wrote:

Copied this from another message board, thought "some" here would be interested. SEC teams are a bunch of sissies when it comes to traveling and playing a true OOC game. Have to give credit to Tennessee for traveling to Eugene this year.

What is even the argument here? That the miles traveled is more important than the quality of the opponent? Let’s add the oppositions record from he previous year and re-stratify the "rankings"

1. Tennessee - 2,500 miles at Oregon (12-1)
1. ASU 1,050 miles vs Notre Dame in Arlington (12-1)
2. S Car - 430 miles at Central Florida (10-4)
2. UCLA 1,500 miles at Nebraska (10-4)
3. Arkansas - 1,250 miles at Rutgers (9-4)
3. Ole Miss - 730 miles at Texas (9-4)
3. OSU 1,020 miles at SDSU (9-4)
4. Utah 45 miles at BYU (8-5)
5. Miss St - 560 miles to play Okie St in Houston (8-5)
6. Georgia - 72 miles at Georgia Tech (7-7)
6. LSU - 450 miles to play TCU in Arlington (7-6)
6. Alabama - 200 miles neutral in Atlanta vs VT (7-6)
6. Kentucky - 220 miles to Nashville to play Western Kentucky (7-6) *to explain why the neutral site, it is like their version of the Red river shootout.
7. Florida - 335 miles to Miami (7-5)
8. Missouri - 320 miles at Indiana (4-8)
8. Oregon 2,810 miles at Virginia (4-8)
8. Colorado 30 miles to play Colorado St in Denver (4-8)
9. USC 4,000 miles at Hawaii (3-9) Pac 12
9. WSU 2,520 miles at Auburn (3-9)
10. Stanford 2,950 miles at Army (2-10)
11. Washington 2,100 miles at Illinois (2-10)
12. Arizona 410 mile at UNLV (2-11)
13. Vandy - 1,050 miles at UMass (1-11

ETA: according to the above data 64% of the PAC's "true OOC" games that you mentioned had a losing record last season. In comparison, 83% of the SEC's "sissy OOC" games that you mentioned had a winning record with 33% of those winning at least 9 games in 2012.

In addition, that is just this year. LSU has played away games against y'all, North Carolina, WVU, Washington and have a home and away scheduled with Oklahoma and working on one with Wisconsin. Bama has traveled to play Michigan and Penn State. Georgia had a neutral site game against Boise in their prime, Arky has been out to USC, I think you all did a home and away against Miss State, and so on.

(What I got out of this)

Wait...Auburn isn't good?

They are going to be lucky to put together a 5 win season this year.

Here is my prediction

Washington St Toss up but I'll give the edge to AU since they are the home teal: win
Arkansas St Loss
Miss. St Loss
LSU Loss
Ole Miss Loss
W Carolina Win
Texas A&M Loss
Florida Atl Win
Arkansas Loss
Tennessee Loss
Georgia Loss
Alabama Loss

I'd move Arkansas St to a toss up given the loss of Malzahn and the uncertainty behind their new HC, but the rest look pretty spot on. Ole Miss and Miss St seem to fluctuate a bit, Tennessee maybe too, given the transition year.