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Interesting article comparing Pryor to U Bolt in speed.

All the BS aside about how he was timed...dude is crazy fast for a 6'6" 235 QB! He has a very bright future and will make alot of money and I'm still disappointed we didn't get a chance to show off our program because he'd be better as a Duck!

GO DUCKS!!

speaking of 40 times, does anybody know what Masoli's is... I'm not sure I've ever seen it. I would guess he is in the 4.7 range just from watching him?

Scout reports a 4.5/40 for Masoli, Rivals a 4.6...

Hmmm...

Interesting thought. Pryor is a phenomenal athlete. That being said, would anyone start Pryor over the Masoli we saw play in the Holiday Bowl? What if TP had chosen to become a Duck? Would anyone be willing to start him over JM?

It'll be interesting to watch as they both develop further over the next 1-2 seasons, but at this point, I'm very happy having Jeremiah Masoli as our QB.

duck55 wrote:http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/b ... aaf,181904

Interesting article comparing Pryor to U Bolt in speed.

Good article. College times are a joke. Dude is super fast, but he probably really runs in the neighborhood of 4.45.

How about Bey at 4.30 in the combine? That is fricking amazing and is probably a legit time. No wonder the Raiders took him. They love unpolished receivers that can flat out fly.

northbeachsf wrote:

duck55 wrote:http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/b ... aaf,181904

Interesting article comparing Pryor to U Bolt in speed.

Good article. College times are a joke. Dude is super fast, but he probably really runs in the neighborhood of 4.45.

How about Bey at 4.30 in the combine? That is fricking amazing and is probably a legit time. No wonder the Raiders took him. They love unpolished receivers that can flat out fly.

ya bey is going to be a freak with the right coaching

woundedknees wrote:Scout reports a 4.5/40 for Masoli, Rivals a 4.6...

funny to me that the coaches always say they recruited him for his arm and had no idea he could run.. When a quarter back is posting a 4.5 40 time you have a pretty good idea he can run.. in some cases even RUN OVER!!

brich75 wrote:

woundedknees wrote:Scout reports a 4.5/40 for Masoli, Rivals a 4.6...

funny to me that the coaches always say they recruited him for his arm and had no idea he could run.. When a quarter back is posting a 4.5 40 time you have a pretty good idea he can run.. in some cases even RUN OVER!!

Or run Thru

I just love how people put so much stock in 40 times. I read an article from Gregg Easterbrook on ESPN Page 2 that broke down just what a difference the times make and it's literally inches. I can't believe much more money a football player can make by lowering his time by .10 of a second. Here's the paragraphs that talk about it, followed by the link. Sorry, it's kind of long.

"I also hope you don't take tenths or hundredths of a second seriously, though the draftnik system surely does. Aqib Talib went 20th, to the Bucs. Before the draft, the Houston Chronicle reported Talib's stock was rising because at his pro day he ran a Wright 40-yard dash, improving on the 4.46 he ran at the combine. Set aside that it is inconceivable the timing was accurate enough to make this a statistically significant difference. Suppose the timers were flawless -- 4.42 is 0.9 percent faster than 4.46. Vernon Gholston went sixth, to Jersey/B. Before the draft, Todd McShay reported that Chris Long looked slow at 4.75, but Gholston looked fast at 4.67. Assume it's 10 yards to the quarterback, considering forward and perpendicular movement. A defensive end who runs a 4.67 would get there 7 inches before a defensive end who runs a 4.75. Leodis McKelvin went 11th, to Buffalo. Bills coach Dick Jauron said he was pleased that McKelvin is "a legitimate 4.38." Though 4.38 is half a percent faster than 4.4.

Meaningless decimals have run wild throughout football scouting and commentary. Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie, who went 16th to Arizona, ran the cone drill in 6.74 at the combine. Not in 6.73, not in 6.75 -- in 6.74. Absurd hundredths were scattered throughout combine results. Last year on draft day, the ESPN broadcast crew debated whether Yamon Figurs runs a 4.29 or 4.3. A player running a 4.29 would complete a 40-yard dash 3 inches ahead of a player running a 4.3. And this business of wanting to run on a "fast surface" for the best possible hundredths-of-a-second readout. Malcolm Kelly of Oklahoma ran a 4.68 on FieldTurf at the University of Oklahoma, then arranged a retest during which he ran a 4.63 on AstroTurf. So the "fast surface" improved his time by 1 percent. And NFL scouts took this seriously."


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freedjr wrote:I just love how people put so much stock in 40 times. I read an article from Gregg Easterbrook on ESPN Page 2 that broke down just what a difference the times make and it's literally inches. I can't believe much more money a football player can make by lowering his time by .10 of a second. Here's the paragraphs that talk about it, followed by the link. Sorry, it's kind of long.

"I also hope you don't take tenths or hundredths of a second seriously, though the draftnik system surely does. Aqib Talib went 20th, to the Bucs. Before the draft, the Houston Chronicle reported Talib's stock was rising because at his pro day he ran a Wright 40-yard dash, improving on the 4.46 he ran at the combine. Set aside that it is inconceivable the timing was accurate enough to make this a statistically significant difference. Suppose the timers were flawless -- 4.42 is 0.9 percent faster than 4.46. Vernon Gholston went sixth, to Jersey/B. Before the draft, Todd McShay reported that Chris Long looked slow at 4.75, but Gholston looked fast at 4.67. Assume it's 10 yards to the quarterback, considering forward and perpendicular movement. A defensive end who runs a 4.67 would get there 7 inches before a defensive end who runs a 4.75. Leodis McKelvin went 11th, to Buffalo. Bills coach Dick Jauron said he was pleased that McKelvin is "a legitimate 4.38." Though 4.38 is half a percent faster than 4.4.

Meaningless decimals have run wild throughout football scouting and commentary. Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie, who went 16th to Arizona, ran the cone drill in 6.74 at the combine. Not in 6.73, not in 6.75 -- in 6.74. Absurd hundredths were scattered throughout combine results. Last year on draft day, the ESPN broadcast crew debated whether Yamon Figurs runs a 4.29 or 4.3. A player running a 4.29 would complete a 40-yard dash 3 inches ahead of a player running a 4.3. And this business of wanting to run on a "fast surface" for the best possible hundredths-of-a-second readout. Malcolm Kelly of Oklahoma ran a 4.68 on FieldTurf at the University of Oklahoma, then arranged a retest during which he ran a 4.63 on AstroTurf. So the "fast surface" improved his time by 1 percent. And NFL scouts took this seriously."


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who cares if people put stock in it? its just a measuring stick, a tool of the trade... Right now there isn't a lot to talk about we are just getting amped up for football.
And there is something to a 40 time, otherwise you would have linebackers running 4.9 and 5.0 running the ball.. I would guess that a low 40 time has something to do with the players ability to explode hit top speed quickly. you know, get through those pesky holes on the line. of course this is just my opinion.

inches do make a BIG difference in football though

i would love to have pryor here just for the recruiting purposes, big time players recruit good athletes just by signing up. Another bonus is that he is a lock for the nfl draft while im afraid masoli wont because of measurables. with all the negative recruiting out there and how the spread doesnt mesh with the nfl high profile players can be a big sell to prospects. still stoked on masoli even though i was a doubter at times last year, but number one prospects dont grow on trees and guys with beastly measurables dont either. Hope we get a matchup in the rose bowl to prove who the man is this year.

All offensive players should be forced to run the 40 with the freeking football in their hands....that is the kind of speed the need to be measured, football speed....

If anything that article shows how important .01 is. Inches make a huge difference for a receiver getting in front of a defender, or a defender breaking up a pass. I mean, how many highlights are there where a pass just brushes the fingers of a defender? That .01 equaling 3 inches or whatever it was, would have been a deflected pass.