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Dirk Koetter Accuses Oregon of Tampering
Posted: Wed Jan 08, 2025 9:24 pm
by StevensTechU
Overall, insightful interview from one-time Oregon coach, Dirk Koetter. He's on his way out the door at Boise State and appears to not have any reason to hold back. One tidbit Duck fans would be intrigued by is the accusation of tampering, offering a defensive player $700k. Not sure who they have that is worth that kind of money, and surprised it wasn't Kage Casey.
https://www.si.com/college/boise-state/ ... jh13z85jd4
Re: Dirk Koetter Accuses Oregon of Tampering
Posted: Wed Jan 08, 2025 9:44 pm
by wepto
I'd be surprised if the tampering rules withstood a legal challenge.
If someone makes $20 an hour at Burgerking, it's perfectly fine for McDonalds to call and offer $21. This is protected by law. If they (the NCAA / the schools) want to circumvent this, they have to include it in a collective bargaining agreement. 'Tampering' is a legally protected activity.
Re: Dirk Koetter Accuses Oregon of Tampering
Posted: Wed Jan 08, 2025 11:48 pm
by pezsez1
I also doubt the call was from the Ducks. It was probably from someone affiliated with Division Street, which operates independently from the AD. (That's if it happened at all.)
Re: Dirk Koetter Accuses Oregon of Tampering
Posted: Thu Jan 09, 2025 6:28 am
by StevensTechU
pezsez1 wrote: Wed Jan 08, 2025 11:48 pm
I also doubt the call was from the Ducks. It was probably from someone affiliated with Division Street, which operates independently from the AD. (That's if it happened at all.)
To be honest, what's the difference? In the spirit of the rule, all the same to me.
Re: Dirk Koetter Accuses Oregon of Tampering
Posted: Thu Jan 09, 2025 9:36 am
by Duck07
Why is Koetter upset if the players are making, in his words, 2 to 10 times what Boise can pay? If he was offered 2-10 times his current pay, would he bemoan the boosters/school who paid for it? Why is it acceptable for him to make absurd amounts of money but not others?
If you're a College Coach bitching about NIL, you're a hypocrite and you should go coach small high school ball since its all about the love of the game.
Re: Dirk Koetter Accuses Oregon of Tampering
Posted: Thu Jan 09, 2025 10:46 am
by pezsez1
To be honest, what's the difference? In the spirit of the rule, all the same to me.
I'd imagine there could be a pretty big difference from a legal standpoint. Can the NCAA even try to punish NIL collectives for tampering or is that completely beyond the NCAA's jurisdiction?
Re: Dirk Koetter Accuses Oregon of Tampering
Posted: Thu Jan 09, 2025 10:50 am
by StevensTechU
Duck07 wrote: Thu Jan 09, 2025 9:36 am
Why is Koetter upset if the players are making, in his words, 2 to 10 times what Boise can pay? If he was offered 2-10 times his current pay, would he bemoan the boosters/school who paid for it? Why is it acceptable for him to make absurd amounts of money but not others?
If you're a College Coach bitching about NIL, you're a hypocrite and you should go coach small high school ball since its all about the love of the game.
I didn't listen, only read the text, but I didn't get the sense that he faulted the players at all. I think he's largely just pulling the curtain back since he's getting out of the fray. If there's shade thrown in what he said, it's at Oregon for violating the tampering rules, not the players. If it was me, I'd probably feel similar.
pezsez1 wrote: Thu Jan 09, 2025 10:46 am
To be honest, what's the difference? In the spirit of the rule, all the same to me.
I'd imagine there could be a pretty big difference from a legal standpoint. Can the NCAA even try to punish NIL collectives for tampering or is that completely beyond the NCAA's jurisdiction?
As another poster noted, in the legal arena, none of it holds up.
Re: Dirk Koetter Accuses Oregon of Tampering
Posted: Thu Jan 09, 2025 10:52 am
by lmduck
Just gonna say- never liked this guy even when he was at UO
Re: Dirk Koetter Accuses Oregon of Tampering
Posted: Thu Jan 09, 2025 11:14 am
by UOducksTK1
Duck07 wrote: Thu Jan 09, 2025 9:36 am
Why is Koetter upset if the players are making, in his words, 2 to 10 times what Boise can pay? If he was offered 2-10 times his current pay, would he bemoan the boosters/school who paid for it? Why is it acceptable for him to make absurd amounts of money but not others?
If you're a College Coach bitching about NIL, you're a hypocrite and you should go coach small high school ball since its all about the love of the game.
In his defense, it is a drastic change that just happened with NIL. So to go from 0 to 100 like that does suck for the smaller schools that already had an uphill battle in many ways.
Re: Dirk Koetter Accuses Oregon of Tampering
Posted: Fri Jan 10, 2025 7:30 am
by Bigwaved
The hand wringing is comical. Gee, I wonder how the top teams get there and stay? How many years do you want to go back to see the same thing? The primary difference in today’s world is the increased transparency.
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Re: Dirk Koetter Accuses Oregon of Tampering
Posted: Fri Jan 10, 2025 8:37 am
by buckmarkduck
It’s interesting to see people standing up for Koeter here. He always had a weird axe to find with UO and Bellotti, and was always a prick toward UO.
It’s well known players have agents who handle NIL, and reach out to schools to see what the interest might be and what the numbers would look like. For a coach to say a school is tampering, seems like he better show proof. More than likely it’s the players agent talking to NIL groups, doubt the player of UO coaches ever spoke.
Re: Dirk Koetter Accuses Oregon of Tampering
Posted: Fri Jan 10, 2025 9:08 am
by StevensTechU
buckmarkduck wrote: Fri Jan 10, 2025 8:37 am
It’s interesting to see people standing up for Koeter here. He always had a weird axe to find with UO and Bellotti, and was always a prick toward UO.
It’s well known players have agents who handle NIL, and reach out to schools to see what the interest might be and what the numbers would look like. For a coach to say a school is tampering, seems like he better show proof. More than likely it’s the players agent talking to NIL groups, doubt the player of UO coaches ever spoke.
And it's no different than coaches leaving smaller budget programs for bigger budget ones, as has always been the case. They're all employees now.
Re: Dirk Koetter Accuses Oregon of Tampering
Posted: Fri Jan 10, 2025 11:11 am
by lmduck
buckmarkduck wrote:It’s interesting to see people standing up for Koeter here. He always had a weird axe to find with UO and Bellotti, and was always a prick toward UO.
It’s well known players have agents who handle NIL, and reach out to schools to see what the interest might be and what the numbers would look like. For a coach to say a school is tampering, seems like he better show proof. More than likely it’s the players agent talking to NIL groups, doubt the player of UO coaches ever spoke.
100% spot on. He has had an axe to grind because he was never considered for the head job on multiple occasions.
There are rumors that he was interested in the job when Mario left and was not even interviewed so take that FWIW.
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Re: Dirk Koetter Accuses Oregon of Tampering
Posted: Fri Jan 10, 2025 11:57 am
by UOducksTK1
buckmarkduck wrote: Fri Jan 10, 2025 8:37 am
It’s interesting to see people standing up for Koeter here. He always had a weird axe to find with UO and Bellotti, and was always a prick toward UO.
It’s well known players have agents who handle NIL, and reach out to schools to see what the interest might be and what the numbers would look like. For a coach to say a school is tampering, seems like he better show proof. More than likely it’s the players agent talking to NIL groups, doubt the player of UO coaches ever spoke.
I don't think anyone is standing up for Koetter. I've never cared for him. 2nd tier coach, and like you and others have mentioned he seems to have beef with UO which is annoying.
Re: Dirk Koetter Accuses Oregon of Tampering
Posted: Fri Jan 10, 2025 2:58 pm
by spacefrog13x
He has an axe to grind because coach MB quietly let him go after two years because he is such a gigantic asshole to deal with. He has never coached anywhere more than two years (except at ASU when he as the HC). imagine Chip Kelly, sans the whimsy.