Wow, my bad, I picked your post because it hinted at some level of objectivity. Apparently not. I brought up Obama because the function of ICE was well established under that regime, the agency having only been created only a few years earlier. It wasn't a tu quoque argument as you are trying to make it, but simply stating what they have always done since inception and then my question to you was whether or not it was a legitimate function. Instead of answering that question, you chose to demean and dismiss. Your response says more about you than it does about me.frogsnouts wrote: Sun Jan 25, 2026 10:51 am
It’s funny, I spent a good amount of time yesterday reading through Twitter, Facebook and Reddit communities on this matter to see what the “accepted” response from Trump supporters on the shooting would be. I was hoping by throwing the bone about the car shooting at least having some possibility of justification I’d get some more interesting answers here, trying to be impartial and all.
But last night after I wrote this I also wrote down what the response would be based on those other avenues. What would the points be, that kinda thing.
My list included: he had a gun, Obama was doing it too, January 6th/Ashli Babbitt shooting, edited videos and he started it.
You missed: multiple magazines, paid protestors and I threw in as a stretch to see if anyone was really off the plot “waving a gun around” since that’s a pretty common talking point you see in those echo chambers.
I’ll give you a pass since you apparently need 4K IMAX showings of the videos to pass judgement. Once you’ve watched it in a way you find suitable come back to this thread with your actual response. It better not include things from 5+ years ago like Obama and January 6th, those don’t impact the shooting yesterday which is all my post was addressing. I’ll allow hypothetical other ICE shootings and comments on the car shooting from a few weeks back since I invited those in my original post.
Also, watch without sound first. I did and thought it looked suspicious but hey maybe he did reach for a gun or something, maybe a single shot or two is justified. When I flipped sound on and heard the number of shots into the back of a corpse I was legitimately shocked. I watch a lot of police shootings both justified and unjustified, rarely do these things surprise me in that way.
I did find a clearer video eventually - the ones on news posts are not great, they are from the other side of the street and all you see is a scrum. I understand better why people feel like the death was unnecessary, and I agree. It looks like the man was trying to get the recently-pushed woman over to the curb by placing himself between her and the ICE guy who pushed her, the latter who decided that their interaction wasn't over. I don't know from the video if she had done something already worthy of arrest, but there is a point where one wishes the ICE guy had just let them go rather than pulling them back into the pile where they eventually used the man's gun as justification for shooting him. I think they made the wrong decision to not let them go, but I allow that there might be missing info not included in a shaky cell phone video.
Unlike you, I don't simply look at the altercation and judge everyone. There is also a context. The man who got shot came to join in the effort to obstruct law enforcement, and he brought a gun. It appears that an organized (and funded) effort in Minnesota has taken shape that involves pushing the line between protest and physical fighting with authorities, seemingly hoping that something like this occurs so that they can trumpet it from the rooftops as several are dutifully doing in this thread and all over the internet. All timed very well for an election year. I was taught from childhood not to get physical with law enforcement and that if I did, I risked getting shot, especially if I am armed. It seems like a younger generation believe that the police are like their parents and they can test the boundaries feeling confident that authorities will not respond. It's a philosophy of government/ training argument that I imagine will continue for awhile. Unfortunately, if the antifa-like resistance wins the argument and is allowed to physically obstruct enforcement operations, it is a certainty that we will get more of what law enforcement is trying to combat - in this case illegal aliens, many of whom are guilty of various criminal activity. A situation like we had in Portland a few years ago where police are unwilling to do any policing is a problem in my mind.
On a side note, it is really sad to me that so many here are unwilling to discuss these issues. I do not have a hard position, and I am willing to listen to other perspectives if they are well-reasoned. Instead I am treated to a steady stream of typical internet drivel. I don't get the sense that the author of this thread intended it to be a Reddit-like atmosphere where people line up and take shots at each other.
