#7 Indiana @ #3 Oregon (Oct. 11, Sat 12:30 PM CBS)

[alxtw]

Whoa. Rough game.

Huge credit to Indiana. They game-planned and executed at an elite level....and on the road.

A few observations:
-the Indiana DC prepared one of the best gameplans i've seen in a while. Their defense was 2-3 steps ahead of us on every play. They looked like a well-coached team....we did not.
-our failures on offense was due to 3 main reasons:
(1) poor play-calling and failing to adjust to what defense was giving....which was the deep passing,
(2) pass-blocking, and
(3) Dante Moore was slow to react to pressure and just generally played a poor game (missed open guys, left the pocket too early etc...)

I would share the blame 1/3.

The run game was solid.

I have to say it....our defense backfield got exposed. Their WR's torched our corners. I don't know if we'll face a team with a QB/WR group that was as in sync as Indiana, but if we do then we are going to continue to have big problems.

Our DL/LB's were solid, but again, we were outcoached on this side of the ball too.

In conclusion: we have a long way to go. To me, that's somewhat exciting because that leaved opportunity for significant improvement.

Freshmen CBs are always going to have a steep learning curve and many mistakes. They will be much better in a year or two. I am worried how they will fare against even better and more talented and deep receiving corps of Ohio State and Alabama.

[OregonFan4Life]

I listened to QB11’s podcast, not that he knows everything, but figured I’d at least post some notes from it on this thread…

-Loss is mostly on Moore, Doug said that Stein deserves blame for poor personnel decisions and QB11 did agree. Specifically mentioned they tried to do too much and are running too many RB’s.

-Moore played significantly worse than QB11 thought he was capable of. He was seeing ghosts and missed so many open guys. Stein called the right plays and routes a majority of the game but Moore was panicked. He did say if Moore plays like this again it might be time for another QB, we have too many good QB’s to settle for play like this.

-This tape will hurt Moore’s draft stock and he’ll most likely be our QB next year cause of it.

-He isn’t as concerned as the Oline anymore as it was due to poor reads from Dante. Dante also created sacks by rolling to the right when he easily could’ve stepped in a clean pocket but he was just nowhere near calm.

-While he feels better about the OLine, he thinks Iuli needs to be benched, he’s playing very poorly and he’s the one guy not holding his own in the run game. He says Genorris Wilson has looked really good as the extra tackle on larger personelle packages and he thinks he’d do fine at RT and that would allow Harkey to play RG which is his true position and what he’s best at. He doubts Terry will do that but he thinks it is at least worth a try cause Iuli ain’t it.

-Stein abandoned the running game way too much, the inside running game was a clear advantage and Moore struggled early on so abandoning it to throw with a young struggling QB was a mistake by Stein.

-Defense wasn’t great but fine

-DLine was great and dominant even though it wasn’t apparent, their big run plays were due to bad defensive playcalls by Tosh, Boettcher and other LB’s not hitting the gap quickly enough, and weird techniques by the DLine that didn’t make sense to him.

-LB’s aren’t good, not so bad they cost us the game, that’s the offense/Moore, but a very obvious weakness on this team and they’re worried other teams could take advantage of them, mainly USC and Washington. Doesn’t believe anyone will be able to execute as well as Indiana but it’s a worry.

-Nobody outside of Finney made a big play on defense, while they are fine we need a few to emerge as leaders that make big plays when it matters most, who will it be?

-Every team will try to do what Indiana did, we will see how good at Stein and Moore are at adjusting, so far we’ve struggled against zone defense in the passing game so we need to expect to see it all season, will Will Stein and Dante Moore be able to overcome this or will we lose at least 1 more game?

[OrTDuck]

"I've to say it....our defense backfield got exposed. Their WR's torched our corners. I don't know if we'll face a team with a QB/WR group that was as in sync as Indiana, but if we do then we are going to continue to have big problems."

I mean, I know expectations are high but "exposed"? Indiana is generally considered a good offense (and I imagine their season ending stats will support it, quite possibly top 10):

Against Oregon: 23-31 for 215 yards and 1 TD and 1 Int

When I think "exposed" against Oregon, I think:

2002 Andrew Walter (ASU): 32-54 for 559 yards and 4 TDs
2002 Carson Palmer (USC): 31-42 for 448 yards and 5 TDs
2008 Mark Sanchez (USC): 24-36 for 443 yards and 4 TDs
2010 Nick Foles (UA): 29-54 for 448 yards and 3 TDs
2012 Matt Barkley (USC): 35-54 for 448 yards and 5 TDs
2013 Connor Holiday (WSU): 58-89 for 557 yards and 4 TDs
2015 Luke Falk (WSU): 50-75 for 505 yards and 5 TDs
2019 Jayden Daniels (ASU): 22-32 for 408 yards and 3 TDs
2021 CJ Stroud (tISU): 35-54 for 484 yards and 3 TDs
2022 Bennett/Beck (Geo): 30-37 for 439 yards and 3 TDs
2022 Michael Penix (UW): 26-35 for 408 yards and 2 TDs
2023 Cameron Ward (WSU): 34-48 for 438 yards and 1 TD

Indiana: 20-31 for 215 with 1 TD and 1 Int (4 passes 15+)
Montana State: 23-31 for 198 with O TDs and 0 Int (4 passes 15+)

If Indiana is "exposed", looks like Montana State pretty much already exposed it? Not that it was great but giving UI 326 yards with 215 passing and 111 rushing at 3.0 ypc seems ok.

[AutzenMember]

"I've to say it....our defense backfield got exposed. Their WR's torched our corners. I don't know if we'll face a team with a QB/WR group that was as in sync as Indiana, but if we do then we are going to continue to have big problems."

I mean, I know expectations are high but "exposed"? Indiana is generally considered a good offense (and I imagine their season ending stats will support it, quite possibly top 10):

Against Oregon: 23-31 for 215 yards and 1 TD and 1 Int

When I think "exposed" against Oregon, I think:

2002 Andrew Walter (ASU): 32-54 for 559 yards and 4 TDs
2002 Carson Palmer (USC): 31-42 for 448 yards and 5 TDs
2008 Mark Sanchez (USC): 24-36 for 443 yards and 4 TDs
2010 Nick Foles (UA): 29-54 for 448 yards and 3 TDs
2012 Matt Barkley (USC): 35-54 for 448 yards and 5 TDs
2013 Connor Holiday (WSU): 58-89 for 557 yards and 4 TDs
2015 Luke Falk (WSU): 50-75 for 505 yards and 5 TDs
2019 Jayden Daniels (ASU): 22-32 for 408 yards and 3 TDs
2021 CJ Stroud (tISU): 35-54 for 484 yards and 3 TDs
2022 Bennett/Beck (Geo): 30-37 for 439 yards and 3 TDs
2022 Michael Penix (UW): 26-35 for 408 yards and 2 TDs
2023 Cameron Ward (WSU): 34-48 for 438 yards and 1 TD

Indiana: 20-31 for 215 with 1 TD and 1 Int (4 passes 15+)
Montana State: 23-31 for 198 with O TDs and 0 Int (4 passes 15+)

If Indiana is "exposed", looks like Montana State pretty much already exposed it? Not that it was great but giving UI 326 yards with 215 passing and 111 rushing at 3.0 ypc seems ok.

I actually agree. It was our OFFENSE that struggled in this game. We should've been able to score more than 13 offensive points, and only one TD. We were sluggish on offense against Penn St also, but by design (1,000 cuts=take every inch they give you...but an obvious lack of deep shots that we are accustomed to at Oregon). If Moore had recognized open receivers, there were deep shots open. Perhaps it was Indiana's defense imposing this on us, but we hit them over the middle in the first half, then never saw it again. There's a combination of effects in there. Hopefully they open it back up in the next few games.

[OregonFan4Life]

"I've to say it....our defense backfield got exposed. Their WR's torched our corners. I don't know if we'll face a team with a QB/WR group that was as in sync as Indiana, but if we do then we are going to continue to have big problems."

I mean, I know expectations are high but "exposed"? Indiana is generally considered a good offense (and I imagine their season ending stats will support it, quite possibly top 10):

Against Oregon: 23-31 for 215 yards and 1 TD and 1 Int

When I think "exposed" against Oregon, I think:

2002 Andrew Walter (ASU): 32-54 for 559 yards and 4 TDs
2002 Carson Palmer (USC): 31-42 for 448 yards and 5 TDs
2008 Mark Sanchez (USC): 24-36 for 443 yards and 4 TDs
2010 Nick Foles (UA): 29-54 for 448 yards and 3 TDs
2012 Matt Barkley (USC): 35-54 for 448 yards and 5 TDs
2013 Connor Holiday (WSU): 58-89 for 557 yards and 4 TDs
2015 Luke Falk (WSU): 50-75 for 505 yards and 5 TDs
2019 Jayden Daniels (ASU): 22-32 for 408 yards and 3 TDs
2021 CJ Stroud (tISU): 35-54 for 484 yards and 3 TDs
2022 Bennett/Beck (Geo): 30-37 for 439 yards and 3 TDs
2022 Michael Penix (UW): 26-35 for 408 yards and 2 TDs
2023 Cameron Ward (WSU): 34-48 for 438 yards and 1 TD

Indiana: 20-31 for 215 with 1 TD and 1 Int (4 passes 15+)
Montana State: 23-31 for 198 with O TDs and 0 Int (4 passes 15+)

If Indiana is "exposed", looks like Montana State pretty much already exposed it? Not that it was great but giving UI 326 yards with 215 passing and 111 rushing at 3.0 ypc seems ok.

Thanks for posting this! I heard people say this at the game and I felt similar, that the young DB’s didn’t get exposed. They did give up a few plays but that happens against quality players like Mendoza and Suratt and the only DB I felt got “exposed” was Theron Johnson who never should have started over Ify (that was confusing). And their only TD came on a crucial 3rd down when Suratt got away with a blatant offensive PI cause college football refs are really dumb when it comes to pass interference. Only issues I felt I saw in defense were:
-Theron starting over Ify
-LB play in general, lacked the speed and playmaking abilities to make crucial plays in key moments
-Two 3rd down busts that allowed Mendoza to run for easy first downs
-Tosh overreacting to the early success throwing to Suratt and having Ify and Finney play soft coverage.

Despite what it may have seemed the DLine was dominant, it was the LB’s that struggled (Michalowski made a HUGE blunder not hitting the portal for LB’s) and Finney may have been the best player to wear an Oregon uniform on Saturday, that kid is amazing and has an extremely bright future.

[StevensTechU]

^ I haven't rewatched the game yet, but I'll be surprised if I feel the same about the defensive line. Not saying they were terrible because they played the run well, but they generated close to no pressure on Mendoza. Given the talent level and NFL buzz a few guys have generated, I think it's fair to expect them to put more heat on the opposing quarterback.

[OregonFan4Life]

Fair enough, I definitely felt like Matayo was a no show, but Mendoza gets the ball out quickly usually which doesn’t allow a pass rush to get there. Plus it seemed like the rushing success they had was due to poor LB play, but you know more than I do and I’m just largely regurgitating what QB11 said.

[OregonFan4Life]

Painful watch for anyone who wants to see two plays that easily should’ve been game changing TD’s for Oregon, the offense, especially Dante, was truly out of sync. You can hear the pain in Geoff’s voice going over these plays.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=IKYK1VsCN ... e=youtu.be

[dthomas=ddixon]

Painful watch for anyone who wants to see two plays that easily should’ve been game changing TD’s for Oregon, the offense, especially Dante, was truly out of sync. You can hear the pain in Geoff’s voice going over these plays.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=IKYK1VsCN ... e=youtu.be

Yiiikes… What in the world happened to Moore? Even during the game, the way he was just running out of bounds and taking a loss rather than throwing the ball out of bounds was bizarre. Just basic QB fundamentals were totally absent.

[rockthief]

No matter what officials have stated, I believe something is wrong physically with our QB. The change in his tactics and demeanor was too extreme.

[greenyellow]

Geoff needs to check his audio before posting as this is like the 2nd or 3rd video of his that has really garbled and quiet sound.

[UOducksTK1]

No matter what officials have stated, I believe something is wrong physically with our QB. The change in his tactics and demeanor was too extreme.

I will say, there was hardly any rollouts, QB draws, or even just effective scrambles by Moore all game.

He ran the ball 3 times (technically 9 carries, but 6 were sacks), and I don't remember but I imagine most of those were barely escaping sacks.

This is after running the ball 17 times for 88 yards the previous two games! So ya something was off.

[StevensTechU]

Bump.

[QuackininBama]

I listened to QB11’s podcast, not that he knows everything, but figured I’d at least post some notes from it on this thread…

-Loss is mostly on Moore, Doug said that Stein deserves blame for poor personnel decisions and QB11 did agree. Specifically mentioned they tried to do too much and are running too many RB’s.

-Moore played significantly worse than QB11 thought he was capable of. He was seeing ghosts and missed so many open guys. Stein called the right plays and routes a majority of the game but Moore was panicked. He did say if Moore plays like this again it might be time for another QB, we have too many good QB’s to settle for play like this.

-This tape will hurt Moore’s draft stock and he’ll most likely be our QB next year cause of it.

-He isn’t as concerned as the Oline anymore as it was due to poor reads from Dante. Dante also created sacks by rolling to the right when he easily could’ve stepped in a clean pocket but he was just nowhere near calm.

-While he feels better about the OLine, he thinks Iuli needs to be benched, he’s playing very poorly and he’s the one guy not holding his own in the run game. He says Genorris Wilson has looked really good as the extra tackle on larger personelle packages and he thinks he’d do fine at RT and that would allow Harkey to play RG which is his true position and what he’s best at. He doubts Terry will do that but he thinks it is at least worth a try cause Iuli ain’t it.

-Stein abandoned the running game way too much, the inside running game was a clear advantage and Moore struggled early on so abandoning it to throw with a young struggling QB was a mistake by Stein.

-Defense wasn’t great but fine

-DLine was great and dominant even though it wasn’t apparent, their big run plays were due to bad defensive playcalls by Tosh, Boettcher and other LB’s not hitting the gap quickly enough, and weird techniques by the DLine that didn’t make sense to him.

-LB’s aren’t good, not so bad they cost us the game, that’s the offense/Moore, but a very obvious weakness on this team and they’re worried other teams could take advantage of them, mainly USC and Washington. Doesn’t believe anyone will be able to execute as well as Indiana but it’s a worry.

-Nobody outside of Finney made a big play on defense, while they are fine we need a few to emerge as leaders that make big plays when it matters most, who will it be?

-Every team will try to do what Indiana did, we will see how good at Stein and Moore are at adjusting, so far we’ve struggled against zone defense in the passing game so we need to expect to see it all season, will Will Stein and Dante Moore be able to overcome this or will we lose at least 1 more game?

Read this twice to refresh my memory. Bad part is, not much has changed since that loss,

He isn’t as concerned as the Oline anymore as it was due to poor reads from Dante. Dante also created sacks by rolling to the right when he easily could’ve stepped in a clean pocket but he was just nowhere near calm.

We have seen this all year, and just saw it again 24 hours ago.